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I really don't understand why people are whining so much about this. I think native is justified given that (1) they are (finally) JITing their JS and (2) thei

I really don't understand why people are whining so much about this. I think native is justified given that (1) they are (finally) JITing their JS and (2) their graphics renderer in using the new DirectWrite lib which is very close to what the WDDM graphics drivers talk. They're saying that they're running much closer to the hardware than they did in the past. Why are people being so negative about it? Better browsers are better for the web. Period. Exclamation point.

obtino 16y ago
It'd be great if they explained the details (just like that) to the more technically apt people (who are more likely to ensure that the software succeeds) rather than just throwing around what sounds like buzz-words.
- praeclarum 16y ago
  Yeah you have a point. But as a technically apt person, I ignore the marketing speak and look this stuff up. It's published all over their blogs, podcasts, etc. They have great developer relations and there's tons of info out there.
wikyd 16y ago
1 isn't exclusive to them, so doesn't add to their point of being "native." 2 comes with a ton of caveats, if I'm not mistaken. Other browsers also take advantage of graphics cards for certain kinds of rendering. I have no evidence for this, but I think that IE is trying to ride on the positive association people have for "native apps" on mobile phones.
- praeclarum 16y ago
  I don't see how exclusivity has anything at all to do with a technical point (I am considering "native" a technical point.) But I'm tired of defending them. I honestly just don't understand people's negativity. I'll say it again, better browsers make for a better web. You can laugh at their marketing pitch, but we should all be excited that they put a thoroughbred horse in the race.
  - wikyd 16y ago
    When they claim they are the only native browser, then the feature set that defines native better be exclusive to them. It's not negativity to call bullshit on a claim. There are plenty of things Microsoft could be touting about their browser without making up marketing speak.
sid0 16y ago
(1) they are (finally) JITing their JS Just like every other browser. (2) their graphics renderer in using the new DirectWrite lib Just like at least one other browser. Why are people being so negative about it? What does IE do so "natively" as to claim that the only native Web experience is with IE9/10 on Windows 7?

obtino 16y ago

It'd be great if they explained the details (just like that) to the more technically apt people (who are more likely to ensure that the software succeeds) rather than just throwing around what sounds like buzz-words.

praeclarum 16y ago
Yeah you have a point. But as a technically apt person, I ignore the marketing speak and look this stuff up. It's published all over their blogs, podcasts, etc. They have great developer relations and there's tons of info out there.

wikyd 16y ago

1 isn't exclusive to them, so doesn't add to their point of being "native." 2 comes with a ton of caveats, if I'm not mistaken. Other browsers also take advantage of graphics cards for certain kinds of rendering. I have no evidence for this, but I think that IE is trying to ride on the positive association people have for "native apps" on mobile phones.

praeclarum 16y ago
I don't see how exclusivity has anything at all to do with a technical point (I am considering "native" a technical point.) But I'm tired of defending them. I honestly just don't understand people's negativity. I'll say it again, better browsers make for a better web. You can laugh at their marketing pitch, but we should all be excited that they put a thoroughbred horse in the race.
- wikyd 16y ago
  When they claim they are the only native browser, then the feature set that defines native better be exclusive to them. It's not negativity to call bullshit on a claim. There are plenty of things Microsoft could be touting about their browser without making up marketing speak.

sid0 16y ago

(1) they are (finally) JITing their JS Just like every other browser. (2) their graphics renderer in using the new DirectWrite lib Just like at least one other browser. Why are people being so negative about it? What does IE do so "natively" as to claim that the only native Web experience is with IE9/10 on Windows 7?