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> China has no interest in invading Taiwan right now CCP has a policy of reuniting Taiwan with the mainland. If they could do it today, they would. > Not to m

> China has no interest in invading Taiwan right now CCP has a policy of reuniting Taiwan with the mainland. If they could do it today, they would. > Not to mention the potential for millions of people to die Chinese premiers have stated they would sacrifice half their citizens if necessary. In fact, they are sacrificing whole towns during the current floods to save various dams, reservoirs and cities, flooding them at nite to make investigations more difficult to avoid welfare payments. Not sure which imaginary China you're talking about.

zepto 6y ago
Do you have a reference for “Chinese premiers have stated that they would sacrifice half their citizens if necessary”? I don’t mean this as a ‘citation needed’ dismissal. I’d like to learn more about when such a statement was made.
- bmarquez 6y ago
  Not the original poster but remember hearing something very similar over a decade ago, and I haven't forgotten the statement: "If the Americans are determined to interfere [in a confrontation over Taiwan] we will be determined to respond,” said Gen Zhu, who is also a professor at China's National Defence University. "We will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian." The source link is still online 15 years later: https://www.ft.com/content/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e2511c8 https://www.ft.com/content/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e251...
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  Here's a quote from a page full of similar quotes: "We are prepared to sacrifice 300 million Chinese for the victory of the world revolution." - Mao Zedong (Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, Mao: The Unknown Story [Jonathan Cape, 2005], pp. 457-8) http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Quotes/maoterror.htm http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Quotes/maot... The population of China was 600 million at the time. And if China is willing to sacrifice half of their own population, they're willing to sacrifice 100% of the rest of the world. This explains China's behavior over the corona virus. (The great genocides of Stalin and Mao were methods to distribute the wealth of farmers to the state for industrialization and militarization projects. So reasons.) Note that China's population of 1.4 billion people is a liability when you're responsible for feeding all of them, and Xi cannot feed them in 2020 due to the flooding, locust and mold disasters, so you can see the possibilities. He can feed CCP members, which are about 15% of the population.
qubex 6y ago
> CCP has a policy of reuniting Taiwan with the mainland. If they could do it today, they would. Then we can conclude that so far they haven’t been in a position to enact that policy, and that unless circumstances suddenly fail to no longer obtain, they will continue to be impeded.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > Then we can conclude that so far they haven’t been in a position to enact that policy There's no math proof here for you to falsify - stop being an HN pedant.
ericmay 6y ago
Nonsense. Sorry to be so harsh. China could, today, take over Taiwan. No doubt about that. The US could certainly make that difficult or impossible depending on the situation, though I think US involvement is the big unknown here. > Chinese premiers have stated... US senators and congresspeople have stated all sorts of crazy things too, but it doesn’t mean much. If China were to sacrifice over 500 million people to take over Taiwan, there isn’t anything stopping them from doing so today besides that statement being untrue. China has a lot of Communist Rhetoric in the general speech patterns of the government, but if you stop and think for a second the Chinese, like everybody else, are just people. They drift cars and buy iPhones and go to the grocery store. The willingness to kill 500 million to invade Taiwan is probably not there.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > US senators and congresspeople have stated all sorts of crazy things too, but it doesn’t mean much. I provided a page of quotes from Mao confirming it in a related thread. > if you stop and think for a second the Chinese, like everybody else, are just people. The CCP is a totalitarian govenment, similar to Hitler or Stalin. They are currently committing genocide against multiple religions and ethnic groups. What CCP Genocide Looks Like - Sterilization https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/xinjiang-china-response-sterilization-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/xinjiang-china-response-... Stop being a useful idiot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

zepto 6y ago

Do you have a reference for “Chinese premiers have stated that they would sacrifice half their citizens if necessary”? I don’t mean this as a ‘citation needed’ dismissal. I’d like to learn more about when such a statement was made.

bmarquez 6y ago
Not the original poster but remember hearing something very similar over a decade ago, and I haven't forgotten the statement: "If the Americans are determined to interfere [in a confrontation over Taiwan] we will be determined to respond,” said Gen Zhu, who is also a professor at China's National Defence University. "We will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian." The source link is still online 15 years later: https://www.ft.com/content/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e2511c8 https://www.ft.com/content/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e251...
redis_mlc 6y ago
Here's a quote from a page full of similar quotes: "We are prepared to sacrifice 300 million Chinese for the victory of the world revolution." - Mao Zedong (Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, Mao: The Unknown Story [Jonathan Cape, 2005], pp. 457-8) http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Quotes/maoterror.htm http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Quotes/maot... The population of China was 600 million at the time. And if China is willing to sacrifice half of their own population, they're willing to sacrifice 100% of the rest of the world. This explains China's behavior over the corona virus. (The great genocides of Stalin and Mao were methods to distribute the wealth of farmers to the state for industrialization and militarization projects. So reasons.) Note that China's population of 1.4 billion people is a liability when you're responsible for feeding all of them, and Xi cannot feed them in 2020 due to the flooding, locust and mold disasters, so you can see the possibilities. He can feed CCP members, which are about 15% of the population.

qubex 6y ago

> CCP has a policy of reuniting Taiwan with the mainland. If they could do it today, they would. Then we can conclude that so far they haven’t been in a position to enact that policy, and that unless circumstances suddenly fail to no longer obtain, they will continue to be impeded.

redis_mlc 6y ago
> Then we can conclude that so far they haven’t been in a position to enact that policy There's no math proof here for you to falsify - stop being an HN pedant.

ericmay 6y ago

Nonsense. Sorry to be so harsh. China could, today, take over Taiwan. No doubt about that. The US could certainly make that difficult or impossible depending on the situation, though I think US involvement is the big unknown here. > Chinese premiers have stated... US senators and congresspeople have stated all sorts of crazy things too, but it doesn’t mean much. If China were to sacrifice over 500 million people to take over Taiwan, there isn’t anything stopping them from doing so today besides that statement being untrue. China has a lot of Communist Rhetoric in the general speech patterns of the government, but if you stop and think for a second the Chinese, like everybody else, are just people. They drift cars and buy iPhones and go to the grocery store. The willingness to kill 500 million to invade Taiwan is probably not there.

redis_mlc 6y ago
> US senators and congresspeople have stated all sorts of crazy things too, but it doesn’t mean much. I provided a page of quotes from Mao confirming it in a related thread. > if you stop and think for a second the Chinese, like everybody else, are just people. The CCP is a totalitarian govenment, similar to Hitler or Stalin. They are currently committing genocide against multiple religions and ethnic groups. What CCP Genocide Looks Like - Sterilization https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/xinjiang-china-response-sterilization-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/xinjiang-china-response-... Stop being a useful idiot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot