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Even with AMD's better performance, OEMs are still shipping their flagship with Intel since Intel partnered in many of the laptop designs. I really wanted to ho

Even with AMD's better performance, OEMs are still shipping their flagship with Intel since Intel partnered in many of the laptop designs. I really wanted to hop on the Ryzen train, but USB4 isn't here yet (despite being able to, no devices have Thunderbolt), the displays for Ryzen models are all lackluster, and other premium features seem to be missing. With this being the case along with the number single-core performance means to some and the Xe graphics overhaul, Intel is still in a great spot on mobile.

toast0 6y ago
Given than the Ryzen 4000U (Zen 2) series was the first time AMD has been really competitive in laptop chips in a long time, it's not surprising that the high end features aren't there. Especially since whatever the OEM puts the AMD chips into seems to be selling. (Of courses, in today's market, almost any laptop will sell, there's a ton of demand and not enough supply) I'd expect to see higher end designs for the Zen 3 laptops, especially if AMD is able to get more fab time and make enough chips.
tuananh 6y ago
it's changing. i'm seeing more highend laptops with amd chip now
Ayesh 6y ago
Spot on! I'm shopping for a new laptop for the past two months, and I'm having a hard time finding a Ryzen 7 laptop that has a good screen and is light weight. There are series of MSI laptops that fit the battery, screen, and build quality I'm looking for, but they all ship with Intel processors. With all Ryzen 7 available today: - Asus G14 and G15 are the only models with 35W R7 4800HS CPUs. G14 is too small screen, and they both turn into furnaces under load (hovering 95°C) - MSI alpha series don't offer 4000 series yet? - Lenovo Legion/Ideapad come with an HDD bay and smaller battery life (~48 Wh). The only one I find good enough is HP Omen 15 2020 model. It's not available anywhere in Europe or Asia as far as I could search. Only on best buy US and Canada.
- CountHackulus 6y ago
  Just an FYI, most modern laptop chips will hit up to 100C under load. That's just how they're designed to operate.
zamalek 6y ago
The bigger problem with the equivalent Ryzen is that it simply isn't available. OEMs are avoiding it because they wouldn't be able to keep it in stock.
IntelMiner 6y ago
I made the mistake of buying a T14s to replace an aging POS Xiaomi (and get off the world of "switchable graphics" forever) The colour accuracy on the screen given was something like 37%. When I enabled any sort of colour shifting program, it would go completely sideways. Comparing it to a $300 (AUD) Oppo cell phone https://i.imgur.com/Rnh6leC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rnh6leC.jpg /r/AMDLaptops has a surprisingly comprehensive guide of what is out there at what price points and markets After Lenovo refused to replace the panel with the only part their own forums stated was the "good" SKU, I purchased the only other seemingly decent looking Ryzen 4000 laptop. The MSI Modern 14 I think the best description I can give of the laptop is "I like it but" It has a nice screen, the keyboard is comfortable (and doesn't have an annoying layout like the Thinkpad with the FN/Ctrl keys) But the tradeoffs for it are - No USB-C charging. The USB-C port doesn't support power delivery (and is only 5Gbps, not 10Gbps) - The SSD is utter garbage. 480 gig on a single NAND flash chip. I was having Linux stall on writing PNG icon files to the chip for 10~ seconds at a time while installing XFCE4! - USB 2.0 in 2020 shouldn't be a thing on an "Ultrabook" laptop - The Ryzen model only has a 6 thread(?) CPU, and it does get a bit toasty with the "meh" cooling fan in the laptop
- m_mueller 6y ago
  I find Lenovo's QA and support absolutely atrocious. My organization bought a ton of ThinkPad X1 Yogas - quite expensive devices. Turns out that everyone's TouchPad would stop working properly (intermittent 2 second lags every couple of seconds) when waking up from a screen-off in battery mode. Workaround is closing the lid to bring it into standby, open it and sign in again. Thousands of users reporting the same thing for various models over the last 2.5 years, absolutely no response from Lenovo. Do only Apple users expect their stuff to actually work and hold them to that standard?

toast0 6y ago

Given than the Ryzen 4000U (Zen 2) series was the first time AMD has been really competitive in laptop chips in a long time, it's not surprising that the high end features aren't there. Especially since whatever the OEM puts the AMD chips into seems to be selling. (Of courses, in today's market, almost any laptop will sell, there's a ton of demand and not enough supply) I'd expect to see higher end designs for the Zen 3 laptops, especially if AMD is able to get more fab time and make enough chips.

tuananh 6y ago

it's changing. i'm seeing more highend laptops with amd chip now

Ayesh 6y ago

Spot on! I'm shopping for a new laptop for the past two months, and I'm having a hard time finding a Ryzen 7 laptop that has a good screen and is light weight. There are series of MSI laptops that fit the battery, screen, and build quality I'm looking for, but they all ship with Intel processors. With all Ryzen 7 available today: - Asus G14 and G15 are the only models with 35W R7 4800HS CPUs. G14 is too small screen, and they both turn into furnaces under load (hovering 95°C) - MSI alpha series don't offer 4000 series yet? - Lenovo Legion/Ideapad come with an HDD bay and smaller battery life (~48 Wh). The only one I find good enough is HP Omen 15 2020 model. It's not available anywhere in Europe or Asia as far as I could search. Only on best buy US and Canada.

CountHackulus 6y ago
Just an FYI, most modern laptop chips will hit up to 100C under load. That's just how they're designed to operate.

zamalek 6y ago

The bigger problem with the equivalent Ryzen is that it simply isn't available. OEMs are avoiding it because they wouldn't be able to keep it in stock.

IntelMiner 6y ago

I made the mistake of buying a T14s to replace an aging POS Xiaomi (and get off the world of "switchable graphics" forever) The colour accuracy on the screen given was something like 37%. When I enabled any sort of colour shifting program, it would go completely sideways. Comparing it to a $300 (AUD) Oppo cell phone https://i.imgur.com/Rnh6leC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rnh6leC.jpg /r/AMDLaptops has a surprisingly comprehensive guide of what is out there at what price points and markets After Lenovo refused to replace the panel with the only part their own forums stated was the "good" SKU, I purchased the only other seemingly decent looking Ryzen 4000 laptop. The MSI Modern 14 I think the best description I can give of the laptop is "I like it but" It has a nice screen, the keyboard is comfortable (and doesn't have an annoying layout like the Thinkpad with the FN/Ctrl keys) But the tradeoffs for it are - No USB-C charging. The USB-C port doesn't support power delivery (and is only 5Gbps, not 10Gbps) - The SSD is utter garbage. 480 gig on a single NAND flash chip. I was having Linux stall on writing PNG icon files to the chip for 10~ seconds at a time while installing XFCE4! - USB 2.0 in 2020 shouldn't be a thing on an "Ultrabook" laptop - The Ryzen model only has a 6 thread(?) CPU, and it does get a bit toasty with the "meh" cooling fan in the laptop

m_mueller 6y ago
I find Lenovo's QA and support absolutely atrocious. My organization bought a ton of ThinkPad X1 Yogas - quite expensive devices. Turns out that everyone's TouchPad would stop working properly (intermittent 2 second lags every couple of seconds) when waking up from a screen-off in battery mode. Workaround is closing the lid to bring it into standby, open it and sign in again. Thousands of users reporting the same thing for various models over the last 2.5 years, absolutely no response from Lenovo. Do only Apple users expect their stuff to actually work and hold them to that standard?