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LGBT have equal rights in the US.

arcticbull 6y ago
Not really. More than in some places to be sure. 1. Until June 16, 2020, that you could be fired for being gay or transgender. And that's not even a blanket ruling, as religious institutions in the US are basically exempt from the Civil Rights Act protections. 2. It's still illegal to use one bathroom or another as a transgender person depending on which state you're in. 3. Transgender people are not allowed in the US military. The list goes on, that's just kinda off the top of my head.
- refurb 6y ago
  The US is more progressive than many European states.[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_European_Un...
- 0xy 6y ago
  Do you think it's beneficial for the US military to accept transgender people who, according to dozens of studies, have substantially higher rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation and other negative side effects? Additionally, some of the hormone blocking drugs can cause bone loss (presenting a real physical risk). Obviously, this has innumerable risks in a military environment from an objective standpoint. In fact, even post-transition, suicidal ideation is still orders of magnitude higher than average.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    This comment won’t look good on you in a few years, I’m sure, and it reminds me of the kind of things people used to say about accepting women into the armed forces. You pass basic training just the same so half your arguments are null right there. If you can’t pass basic training they don’t care what’s between your legs, you’re going home.
    - 0xy 6y ago
      Basic training doesn't disqualify you for some of those risks.
      - arcticbull 6y ago
        Basic training ensures that some of those risks do not apply.
        0xy 6y ago
        How does basic training eliminate suicide ideation? Do you think basic training is enough to identify the risks associated with the bone density loss seen in some clinical transgender treatments? My understanding is that problems associated with that side effect could manifest at any time.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    > In fact, even post-transition, suicidal ideation is still orders of magnitude higher than average. All the research we have on this says it's caused by the presence of transphobia, and isn't intrinsic to being trans.
    - 0xy 6y ago
      Care to share? Other minorities experiencing discrimination do not report similarly high levels of suicidal ideation, so I'm extremely doubtful of this claim.

Not really. More than in some places to be sure. 1. Until June 16, 2020, that you could be fired for being gay or transgender. And that's not even a blanket ruling, as religious institutions in the US are basically exempt from the Civil Rights Act protections. 2. It's still illegal to use one bathroom or another as a transgender person depending on which state you're in. 3. Transgender people are not allowed in the US military. The list goes on, that's just kinda off the top of my head.

refurb 6y ago
The US is more progressive than many European states.[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_European_Un...
0xy 6y ago
Do you think it's beneficial for the US military to accept transgender people who, according to dozens of studies, have substantially higher rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation and other negative side effects? Additionally, some of the hormone blocking drugs can cause bone loss (presenting a real physical risk). Obviously, this has innumerable risks in a military environment from an objective standpoint. In fact, even post-transition, suicidal ideation is still orders of magnitude higher than average.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  This comment won’t look good on you in a few years, I’m sure, and it reminds me of the kind of things people used to say about accepting women into the armed forces. You pass basic training just the same so half your arguments are null right there. If you can’t pass basic training they don’t care what’s between your legs, you’re going home.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    Basic training doesn't disqualify you for some of those risks.
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      Basic training ensures that some of those risks do not apply.
      - 0xy 6y ago
        How does basic training eliminate suicide ideation? Do you think basic training is enough to identify the risks associated with the bone density loss seen in some clinical transgender treatments? My understanding is that problems associated with that side effect could manifest at any time.
- DanBC 6y ago
  > In fact, even post-transition, suicidal ideation is still orders of magnitude higher than average. All the research we have on this says it's caused by the presence of transphobia, and isn't intrinsic to being trans.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    Care to share? Other minorities experiencing discrimination do not report similarly high levels of suicidal ideation, so I'm extremely doubtful of this claim.