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humblebrag, they're all high status positions

gnfargbl 6y ago
Deputy Director jobs in the UK Civil Service aren’t actually that senior. They tend to pay around £75k, or $100k US, which is a pretty decent wage for the general population but not quite at levels.fyi rates.
- qmmmur 6y ago
  Sorry since when is over double the median wage 'decent'. Some people on this forum have their head in their arses when it comes to money.
  - bkanber 6y ago
    If you're in a certain industry, you're typically looking at the median in that industry and not the national median. USD $100k is ~4 year experience software engineer salary.
    - foldr 6y ago
      >USD $100k is ~4 year experience software engineer salary. Not in the UK, though.
      - simsla 6y ago
        Point still stands. UK software engineer median wages are above UK national median wages.
        foldr 6y ago
        Yes, but 100k USD is a very high (though not impossibly high) wage for a software engineer in London. In the US it's an unremarkable salary in major tech hubs.
        PunchTornado 6y ago
        not by much. software salaries in the uk are not that great. 75k is top top bracket for uk.
        nullsense 6y ago
        75k USD is high end of the Senior Developer bracket in NZ too. It's depressing seeing levels.fyi. Though it's still double the national average, and it's equivalent to the median household income.
        AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        It's not that hard for Aussies or Kiwis to get a work visa in the US. Easiest path is probably to work for a US company locally and then do an intra-company transfer. I know a few who did that, worked 3 years and went back with a healthy savings.
        nullsense 6y ago
        H1B is tied to the employer though right? And it's a lottery system, so no guarantee? The one time I went to the US I nearly had a panic attack, so I can't really imagine living there or dragging my family there, but then you look at the money and it sure looks worth dragging yourself through hell for.
        AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        I was talking about intra-company transfers, which are different from H1B. E.g., you get a job at Google and Google wants to transfer you to the US. That's a different visa, it's much less competitive and there's no lottery. > The one time I went to the US I nearly had a panic attack I guess if you have psychological issues that make travel difficult or feel like "dragging yourself through hell", as you put it, then maybe just stay at home. Another option is to work remote. You'll get paid less for being in an Asian time-zone, but you might still earn more than a local company would pay you. A third option, which is the one I'm currently pursuing (from east Asia), is taking your skills directly to the market as an entrepreneur.
    - thebradbain 6y ago
      Is it? Most of the new-grads I know, many with no prior full-time experience, make around $120k, and of the 9 I regularly keep up with only 1 works at a FAANG (and makes a decent amount more than $120k). The others range from startups to BigCo fintech to backhouse software role in legacy Fortune 500s. Granted, most of these jobs are on the coasts, though (but not SF)
      - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        > Most of the new-grads I know Only about 1/4 of US adults have an accredited 4-year degree. Just being a new grad is already a huge credential. Still, that credential doesn't generally generate $120k, for any major. Where did these new grads get their degrees? My guess is that your personal social circle has a certain pedigree that isn't the norm.
        thebradbain 6y ago
        A small liberal arts college (<1600 people) in California. While it's very well regarded in academic circles, within the general public you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who recognizes it unless they're affiliated in some way. I only bring this up to push back against the common idea on this forum that you need to be Ivy/Stanford/MIT/Caltech to get into a top FAANG or consulting job or law/medical program -- first careers like these were the rule at my school, not the exception. And many were hired with one of those "useless" liberal arts degrees rather than a degree in the specific field they went in to.
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- rikroots 6y ago
  1. Deputy Director posts are the bottom rung in the Senior Civil Service. Any SCS post is, by definition, senior. The SCS accounts for 1% of the entire Civil Service head count[1]. 2. Why mention the pay rate? Civil Service jobs have never been well paid - especially in comparison to private sector equivalent job roles. People go into these jobs for a lot of reasons beyond remuneration - behind-the-scenes power, for instance, or social cachet, or even in the belief that they can help make things work better. 3. The key level in the average UK central government department is the Grade 7 Team Leader. They're the ones with (wide) responsibility for a specific policy area, and/or running a specific government programme. They're also the ones who get hammered when anything goes wrong. (Deputy) Directors will be responsible for managing a Division of such Teams in a related area. Above them are the Director Generals (C-suite folks for each Department, though far more limited in numbers) and the Permanent Secretary (the CEO, if you like). Running a country is not the same as running a business. [1] - https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/grade-structures-civil-service https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/grade-s...
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Deputy Director jobs in the UK Civil Service aren’t actually that senior. They tend to pay around £75k, or $100k US, which is a pretty decent wage for the general population but not quite at levels.fyi rates.

qmmmur 6y ago
Sorry since when is over double the median wage 'decent'. Some people on this forum have their head in their arses when it comes to money.
- bkanber 6y ago
  If you're in a certain industry, you're typically looking at the median in that industry and not the national median. USD $100k is ~4 year experience software engineer salary.
  - foldr 6y ago
    >USD $100k is ~4 year experience software engineer salary. Not in the UK, though.
    - simsla 6y ago
      Point still stands. UK software engineer median wages are above UK national median wages.
      - foldr 6y ago
        Yes, but 100k USD is a very high (though not impossibly high) wage for a software engineer in London. In the US it's an unremarkable salary in major tech hubs.
      - PunchTornado 6y ago
        not by much. software salaries in the uk are not that great. 75k is top top bracket for uk.
        nullsense 6y ago
        75k USD is high end of the Senior Developer bracket in NZ too. It's depressing seeing levels.fyi. Though it's still double the national average, and it's equivalent to the median household income.
        AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        It's not that hard for Aussies or Kiwis to get a work visa in the US. Easiest path is probably to work for a US company locally and then do an intra-company transfer. I know a few who did that, worked 3 years and went back with a healthy savings.
        nullsense 6y ago
        H1B is tied to the employer though right? And it's a lottery system, so no guarantee? The one time I went to the US I nearly had a panic attack, so I can't really imagine living there or dragging my family there, but then you look at the money and it sure looks worth dragging yourself through hell for.
        AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        I was talking about intra-company transfers, which are different from H1B. E.g., you get a job at Google and Google wants to transfer you to the US. That's a different visa, it's much less competitive and there's no lottery. > The one time I went to the US I nearly had a panic attack I guess if you have psychological issues that make travel difficult or feel like "dragging yourself through hell", as you put it, then maybe just stay at home. Another option is to work remote. You'll get paid less for being in an Asian time-zone, but you might still earn more than a local company would pay you. A third option, which is the one I'm currently pursuing (from east Asia), is taking your skills directly to the market as an entrepreneur.
  - thebradbain 6y ago
    Is it? Most of the new-grads I know, many with no prior full-time experience, make around $120k, and of the 9 I regularly keep up with only 1 works at a FAANG (and makes a decent amount more than $120k). The others range from startups to BigCo fintech to backhouse software role in legacy Fortune 500s. Granted, most of these jobs are on the coasts, though (but not SF)
    - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
      > Most of the new-grads I know Only about 1/4 of US adults have an accredited 4-year degree. Just being a new grad is already a huge credential. Still, that credential doesn't generally generate $120k, for any major. Where did these new grads get their degrees? My guess is that your personal social circle has a certain pedigree that isn't the norm.
      - thebradbain 6y ago
        A small liberal arts college (<1600 people) in California. While it's very well regarded in academic circles, within the general public you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who recognizes it unless they're affiliated in some way. I only bring this up to push back against the common idea on this forum that you need to be Ivy/Stanford/MIT/Caltech to get into a top FAANG or consulting job or law/medical program -- first careers like these were the rule at my school, not the exception. And many were hired with one of those "useless" liberal arts degrees rather than a degree in the specific field they went in to.
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rikroots 6y ago
1. Deputy Director posts are the bottom rung in the Senior Civil Service. Any SCS post is, by definition, senior. The SCS accounts for 1% of the entire Civil Service head count[1]. 2. Why mention the pay rate? Civil Service jobs have never been well paid - especially in comparison to private sector equivalent job roles. People go into these jobs for a lot of reasons beyond remuneration - behind-the-scenes power, for instance, or social cachet, or even in the belief that they can help make things work better. 3. The key level in the average UK central government department is the Grade 7 Team Leader. They're the ones with (wide) responsibility for a specific policy area, and/or running a specific government programme. They're also the ones who get hammered when anything goes wrong. (Deputy) Directors will be responsible for managing a Division of such Teams in a related area. Above them are the Director Generals (C-suite folks for each Department, though far more limited in numbers) and the Permanent Secretary (the CEO, if you like). Running a country is not the same as running a business. [1] - https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/grade-structures-civil-service https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/grade-s...
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