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This is great. I think I’ve heard the suggestion before that drive throughs should be forced by law to print the license plate details on all packaging so that

by Lio 6y ago

This is great. I think I’ve heard the suggestion before that drive throughs should be forced by law to print the license plate details on all packaging so that it can be traced back to the driver who left it.

npongratz 6y ago
My experience is that 1/3 of the time they fail to get my order right. It is clear that attention to detail is not the highest priority of hiring managers at restaurants. So what happens when my PII gets plastered on someone else's eventual litter? Contesting fines is not an option -- is too often a losing proposition.
- Lio 6y ago
  I would assume it would be printed via ANPR and then I’d guess the onus is on you to check everything you’ve ordered is correctly present and labelled. If that’s not enough and the retailer can’t get that right I would say that you’re taking a know risk going to that drive through. Avoid them and I the market will make the process reliable.
  - npongratz 6y ago
    I would be depending on someone else to check that everything they have ordered is correctly labeled. That's the problem. If I cannot trust the people whom I pay to correctly pack my meal, I certainly cannot trust some rando in the drive-through queue to read a faded and smudged label, and care about what they just read, and spend time and emotional energy to rectify the problem (which isn't even their problem).
  - zdragnar 6y ago
    Why would the onus be on me to confirm that what I received was correct? If they get my license plate wrong, that's basically a license to litter with impunity.
  - pkaye 6y ago
    > I would assume it would be printed via ANPR and then I’d guess the onus is on you to check everything you’ve ordered is correctly present and labelled. The onus should on the company CEO. One day in jail for each mistake they make.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  It happens sometimes and it stinks, but it has to be weighted in the overall context. Usually these "no standard of evidence" fines have no consequence besides a fee (since loss of freedom would be injustice) so just think of it as tax by sortition, which is fair
  - UncleEntity 6y ago
    > ...have no consequence besides a fee (since loss of freedom would be injustice)... How do you think they enforce the paying of the fee? Reminds me of a story...this one guy I met had his car impounded because he forgot to pay a ticket he got on a bicycle (when the headlight requirement was new) so they suspended his license which caused him to drive around for years without a license. Pretty sure they had a bench warrant out for him too so they hauled him off to jail.
cgriswald 6y ago
I’ve seen plenty of garbage properly disposed of find it’s way out of the litter bin. I’ve seen it when homeless go through the bins. I’ve seen it when the bins are being changed out and a careless worker spills a bit. I’ve seen the wind take it out if the bin is a little too full. I’ve seen raccoons make a mess. I’ve seen drivers bump bins and spill their contents. I’ve also seen that happen at fast food restaurants. And, having worked fast food, I’ve seen employees of such do some pretty spiteful and pointless things. I’m fine with extremely hefty fines for those who happen to get caught. I’m not fine with fines based on such flimsy evidence as a printed wrapper.

by Lio 6y ago

npongratz 6y ago

My experience is that 1/3 of the time they fail to get my order right. It is clear that attention to detail is not the highest priority of hiring managers at restaurants. So what happens when my PII gets plastered on someone else's eventual litter? Contesting fines is not an option -- is too often a losing proposition.

Lio 6y ago
I would assume it would be printed via ANPR and then I’d guess the onus is on you to check everything you’ve ordered is correctly present and labelled. If that’s not enough and the retailer can’t get that right I would say that you’re taking a know risk going to that drive through. Avoid them and I the market will make the process reliable.
- npongratz 6y ago
  I would be depending on someone else to check that everything they have ordered is correctly labeled. That's the problem. If I cannot trust the people whom I pay to correctly pack my meal, I certainly cannot trust some rando in the drive-through queue to read a faded and smudged label, and care about what they just read, and spend time and emotional energy to rectify the problem (which isn't even their problem).
- zdragnar 6y ago
  Why would the onus be on me to confirm that what I received was correct? If they get my license plate wrong, that's basically a license to litter with impunity.
- pkaye 6y ago
  > I would assume it would be printed via ANPR and then I’d guess the onus is on you to check everything you’ve ordered is correctly present and labelled. The onus should on the company CEO. One day in jail for each mistake they make.
srtjstjsj 6y ago
It happens sometimes and it stinks, but it has to be weighted in the overall context. Usually these "no standard of evidence" fines have no consequence besides a fee (since loss of freedom would be injustice) so just think of it as tax by sortition, which is fair
- UncleEntity 6y ago
  > ...have no consequence besides a fee (since loss of freedom would be injustice)... How do you think they enforce the paying of the fee? Reminds me of a story...this one guy I met had his car impounded because he forgot to pay a ticket he got on a bicycle (when the headlight requirement was new) so they suspended his license which caused him to drive around for years without a license. Pretty sure they had a bench warrant out for him too so they hauled him off to jail.

cgriswald 6y ago

I’ve seen plenty of garbage properly disposed of find it’s way out of the litter bin. I’ve seen it when homeless go through the bins. I’ve seen it when the bins are being changed out and a careless worker spills a bit. I’ve seen the wind take it out if the bin is a little too full. I’ve seen raccoons make a mess. I’ve seen drivers bump bins and spill their contents. I’ve also seen that happen at fast food restaurants. And, having worked fast food, I’ve seen employees of such do some pretty spiteful and pointless things. I’m fine with extremely hefty fines for those who happen to get caught. I’m not fine with fines based on such flimsy evidence as a printed wrapper.