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> As another classic example, here's a VW press relase from 2013, when they declared they would lead the world on EVs by 2018. Volkswagen is the biggest BEV ma

> As another classic example, here's a VW press relase from 2013, when they declared they would lead the world on EVs by 2018. Volkswagen is the biggest BEV maker in Europe today: https://www.schmidtmatthias.de/post/april-2020-european-electric-car-market-top-sellers https://www.schmidtmatthias.de/post/april-2020-european-elec... Give them a couple more years and they will be the biggest BEV maker worldwide. Here are some BEVs you can buy from them either right now or soon: - Porsche Taycan - Audi e-Tron - Audi Q4 e-tron - Audi e-tron GT - VW e-Golf (being replaced by the ID.3) - VW ID.3 - VW ID.4 - Skoda Enyaq And more to come each year. Volkswagen is walking the walk.

codeulike 6y ago
Biggest BEV maker if you include PHEVs, but thats not what I'm talking about. Which of those models actually exist and which ones are any good? Because the last electric Audi I heard about was feeble. The Porche has good handling going for it but not much else.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  No, biggest BEV maker in Europe right now. The chart is a bit confusing.
  - codeulike 6y ago
    Hmm ok, just scraping ahead of Nissan/Renault. OK well thats something. What have they been selling 30k of between Jan and Apr then? e-Golfs and e-Trons? edit: WAIT, your chart is 'Western Europe'. If you look at all of Europe, YTD sales (up to July) you get: Renault Zoe - 46259 Tesla Model 3 - 34014 VWe-Golf - 21794 Audi e-Tron - 16643 Kona EV - 15971 https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/08/europe-july-2020.html https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/08/europe-july-2020.html Strong showing by the e-Golf (how are they selling that many of a car with 125 mile range??) and e-Tron but even if you add them together Renault are still way ahead. Well deserved, the Zoe is a great package. Edit: WAIT WAIT didn't go far enough down the list to catch the e-up E-up - 9975 So that does indeed put vw in the lead, and mostly with sales of previous-gen EVs with 100/125 range. How are they shifting those?
    - reitzensteinm 6y ago
      You missed the e-UP, so parent's assertion is actually correct. But Europe this year isn't representative, Tesla lost a quarter to covid and their sales ramp for Q3 hasn't happened yet. On the other hand, the ID.3 and ID.4 are going to provide serious competition in the near future, and on the other, other hand, GF Berlin will come eventually. Exiting times.
Gibbon1 6y ago
I think VW's getting EV religion is the silver lining of diese gate. Having the previous guy that sat in your seat sitting in prison focuses the mind.
codeulike 6y ago
I think I had this exact same debate with you about a year ago. Trying to find it in my comment history, lol. But the ID3 is finally on the road, that is great.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  Probably. I've been saying the same thing for a while.

codeulike 6y ago

Biggest BEV maker if you include PHEVs, but thats not what I'm talking about. Which of those models actually exist and which ones are any good? Because the last electric Audi I heard about was feeble. The Porche has good handling going for it but not much else.

clouddrover 6y ago
No, biggest BEV maker in Europe right now. The chart is a bit confusing.
- codeulike 6y ago
  Hmm ok, just scraping ahead of Nissan/Renault. OK well thats something. What have they been selling 30k of between Jan and Apr then? e-Golfs and e-Trons? edit: WAIT, your chart is 'Western Europe'. If you look at all of Europe, YTD sales (up to July) you get: Renault Zoe - 46259 Tesla Model 3 - 34014 VWe-Golf - 21794 Audi e-Tron - 16643 Kona EV - 15971 https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/08/europe-july-2020.html https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/08/europe-july-2020.html Strong showing by the e-Golf (how are they selling that many of a car with 125 mile range??) and e-Tron but even if you add them together Renault are still way ahead. Well deserved, the Zoe is a great package. Edit: WAIT WAIT didn't go far enough down the list to catch the e-up E-up - 9975 So that does indeed put vw in the lead, and mostly with sales of previous-gen EVs with 100/125 range. How are they shifting those?
  - reitzensteinm 6y ago
    You missed the e-UP, so parent's assertion is actually correct. But Europe this year isn't representative, Tesla lost a quarter to covid and their sales ramp for Q3 hasn't happened yet. On the other hand, the ID.3 and ID.4 are going to provide serious competition in the near future, and on the other, other hand, GF Berlin will come eventually. Exiting times.

Gibbon1 6y ago

I think VW's getting EV religion is the silver lining of diese gate. Having the previous guy that sat in your seat sitting in prison focuses the mind.

codeulike 6y ago

I think I had this exact same debate with you about a year ago. Trying to find it in my comment history, lol. But the ID3 is finally on the road, that is great.

clouddrover 6y ago
Probably. I've been saying the same thing for a while.