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> SIWA is tied to the developer agreement, so Epic lost access to this when they lost everything else. It sounds like Apple actually gave them an extended (but

> SIWA is tied to the developer agreement, so Epic lost access to this when they lost everything else. It sounds like Apple actually gave them an extended (but still quite short) grace period after their developer account was deleted to migrate users off. With my end user hat on, I respectfully disagree. SIWA is tied to my Apple ID, and is my account. Apple has demonstrated it will unilaterally revoke my login on services that has nothing to do with it, thereby significantly reducing the value of SIWA and significantly increasing the risk of using it. I never used social logins before SIWA due to privacy concerns. I now can’t use SIWA either, and need to migrate every service I have using it back to my email. Thanks Apple. You continue to be the abusive partner, taking my money and telling me I should be grateful that you’re not as bad as the other option, all the while restricting and controlling what I’m allowed to do.

dwaite 6y ago
> With my end user hat on, I respectfully disagree. SIWA is tied to my Apple ID, and is my account. From a capability standpoint, I agree. From user perception and resulting corporate liability standpoints, there are problems there. > Apple has demonstrated it will unilaterally revoke my login on services that has nothing to do with it, thereby significantly reducing the value of SIWA and significantly increasing the risk of using it. Apple _only_ allows SiwA with organizations which have an Apple developer account, which has the terms and conditions for appropriate use of user PII. It is certainly valid to put users squarely in charge of who they share their PII to, but that requires a different user experience with appropriate informed consent. The SiwA experience is still about letting Apple share data with partner organizations.
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  Fortunately, it appears we were both wrong: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/09/29/epic-games-unreliable-narrator https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/09/29/epic-games-unre...
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dwaite 6y ago

> With my end user hat on, I respectfully disagree. SIWA is tied to my Apple ID, and is my account. From a capability standpoint, I agree. From user perception and resulting corporate liability standpoints, there are problems there. > Apple has demonstrated it will unilaterally revoke my login on services that has nothing to do with it, thereby significantly reducing the value of SIWA and significantly increasing the risk of using it. Apple _only_ allows SiwA with organizations which have an Apple developer account, which has the terms and conditions for appropriate use of user PII. It is certainly valid to put users squarely in charge of who they share their PII to, but that requires a different user experience with appropriate informed consent. The SiwA experience is still about letting Apple share data with partner organizations.

oarsinsync 6y ago
Fortunately, it appears we were both wrong: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/09/29/epic-games-unreliable-narrator https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/09/29/epic-games-unre...

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