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Republicans and moderates are not denying anyone’s humanity, nor do they support political policies that have no other effect than to hurt people. Nobody does.

Republicans and moderates are not denying anyone’s humanity, nor do they support political policies that have no other effect than to hurt people. Nobody does. Arriving at that conclusion should tell you loud and clear that your model is incomplete and you don’t understand your opponent.

nindalf 6y ago
Are you talking about the party that spent decades motivating turnout by making their base hate gay people? They denied the humanity of gay people, fought to deny them basic human rights and all for what? Just to cynically win elections? If you didn’t know this or chose to ignore it, your model is incomplete and you don’t understand one side.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Remind me who voted for DOMA? You need to study a little history.
  - sagichmal 6y ago
    You're not acting in good faith here, and it's both obvious and hilarious. You respond to someone summarizing decades of malignant propagandizing with, literally, a Whataboutism dredging up a single minor procedural issue, out of context, from like 23 years ago, and pretend that single disingenuous statement disarms the thing it's responding to. This is -- you are -- exactly what I'm talking about.
sagichmal 6y ago
Republicans in 2020 are absolutely and inarguably doing those things. Every vote for that party in our zeitgeist is motivated in no small part by active malignancy. It's the defining characteristic of their leader, unavoidable and undeniable, and as of the convention the party literally has no platform except to serve and support his whims. So there is absolutely a right and a wrong side to things right now.
- jkhdigital 6y ago
  Absolutely and inarguably? A vote for a Republican is a vote for "active malignancy"? How could anyone even approach a conversation with you about this? Isn't this the exact opposite of RBG and Scalia's friendship, which is the actual topic of this comment thread?
  - sagichmal 6y ago
    That's the whole point: I'm not interested in a "conversation" on the topic because there isn't one to be had. Friendship is an even stronger signal of tacit endorsement and there are situations, positions where it's inappropriate, even morally unjustifiable, to deploy. Scalia would certainly qualify for me.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      Another extremist.
      - sagichmal 6y ago
        Punching a fascist doesn't make someone an extremist. Or as dril puts it, > the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron" https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=21 https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=21
Frondo 6y ago
Republicans are absolutely working to roll back legal protections for the LGBT community and have been engaged in a decades-long fight to reduce women's access to health care. They're also fully in support of the immigration policies that have led to things like the very well-documented child separation. In what ways are those not denying someone's humanity?
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  First, those are lies. Second, in no way is that denying humanity.
dTal 6y ago
"Democrats aren't people anymore as far as I'm concerned" "It's time to stop arresting these filth only to have them released the next day and start just putting them down" --seen literally yesterday in a popular politics IRC chatroom, to general agreement. I think many people don't entirely realize how bad it's gotten.

nindalf 6y ago

Are you talking about the party that spent decades motivating turnout by making their base hate gay people? They denied the humanity of gay people, fought to deny them basic human rights and all for what? Just to cynically win elections? If you didn’t know this or chose to ignore it, your model is incomplete and you don’t understand one side.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Remind me who voted for DOMA? You need to study a little history.
- sagichmal 6y ago
  You're not acting in good faith here, and it's both obvious and hilarious. You respond to someone summarizing decades of malignant propagandizing with, literally, a Whataboutism dredging up a single minor procedural issue, out of context, from like 23 years ago, and pretend that single disingenuous statement disarms the thing it's responding to. This is -- you are -- exactly what I'm talking about.

sagichmal 6y ago

Republicans in 2020 are absolutely and inarguably doing those things. Every vote for that party in our zeitgeist is motivated in no small part by active malignancy. It's the defining characteristic of their leader, unavoidable and undeniable, and as of the convention the party literally has no platform except to serve and support his whims. So there is absolutely a right and a wrong side to things right now.

jkhdigital 6y ago
Absolutely and inarguably? A vote for a Republican is a vote for "active malignancy"? How could anyone even approach a conversation with you about this? Isn't this the exact opposite of RBG and Scalia's friendship, which is the actual topic of this comment thread?
- sagichmal 6y ago
  That's the whole point: I'm not interested in a "conversation" on the topic because there isn't one to be had. Friendship is an even stronger signal of tacit endorsement and there are situations, positions where it's inappropriate, even morally unjustifiable, to deploy. Scalia would certainly qualify for me.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    Another extremist.
    - sagichmal 6y ago
      Punching a fascist doesn't make someone an extremist. Or as dril puts it, > the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron" https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=21 https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=21

Frondo 6y ago

Republicans are absolutely working to roll back legal protections for the LGBT community and have been engaged in a decades-long fight to reduce women's access to health care. They're also fully in support of the immigration policies that have led to things like the very well-documented child separation. In what ways are those not denying someone's humanity?

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
First, those are lies. Second, in no way is that denying humanity.

dTal 6y ago

"Democrats aren't people anymore as far as I'm concerned" "It's time to stop arresting these filth only to have them released the next day and start just putting them down" --seen literally yesterday in a popular politics IRC chatroom, to general agreement. I think many people don't entirely realize how bad it's gotten.