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>If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none. how do you think i'm suppose to know who, for example, talks there with FSB about providing (or refusin

>If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none. how do you think i'm suppose to know who, for example, talks there with FSB about providing (or refusing to provide - as if somebody is able to refuse - and what consequences it will cause for the business :) with the access to the email boxes, searches, search requests' and forum posts' IPs and other information ? Obviously it is a serious behind-the-closed-doors business what isn't done by a girl from PR. The fact that i don't know who this person(s) is has no bearing on the fact of their existence.

guard-of-terra 16y ago
I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. Facts so far: Google.cn's government relations were a team of three ladies, which was a public fact. This configuration is presumed to be suboptimal in china. You could not figure out who does government relations for leading Russian internet companies. Their public relations are largely done by women, and this is natural for Russia and doesn't seem to cause trouble. A picture for meditation: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/ http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/
- VladRussian 16y ago
  >I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. great, as it has nothing do to with my posts. >Their public relations are largely done by women, again, who mans theirs PR or kitchen or accounting has nothing to do with my posts. You've brought in unrelated themes. The onus is on you to show how they are related, if any, to the original discussion theme.
  - guard-of-terra 16y ago
    You have asserted that there was a problem arising from the fact that google.cn's government relations team was all-woman. And then you have asserted that Russia would share that property. You didn't back your latter statement with any facts, so I would like to hear some. If you sort of "just know" that, then I would symmetrically declare that I "just know" the opposite and I don't see how it would progress from there.
    - VladRussian 16y ago
      >You have asserted that there was a problem arising from the fact that google.cn's government relations team was all-woman. And then you have asserted that Russia would share that property. yes, if you look at my original posts, it is my personal opinion. It is based on my experience living the first 30 years of my life in Russia, ie. "just know". >You didn't back your latter statement with any facts, so I would like to hear some. I wonder what facts you imagine can be used to back such statement. >then I would symmetrically declare that I "just know" the opposite and i'm pretty surprised that you may "just know" the opposite. Have you been/ are you living in Russia? >and I don't see how it would progress from there. There is no chance of progress here. It is one of the reasons i left the country (please spare the propaganda that thing have changed during last 10 years - it isn't always working even for people who live there permanently)
      - guard-of-terra 16y ago
        Sorry, but I have another experience of living in Russia for 26 years. I doubt that those four years of difference would make your opinion much more credible than mine. Moreover, I work at one of largest Internet firms (no any management, but still) and your assertions just don't "click" with my experience. I imagine that you could show that Internet companies working in Russia indeed have government relations teams and those tend to be mostly-male; but that's not only thing I can imagine. The problem is that you supplied none. Another thing is that I assume you've never been to China and India, which doesn't prevent you from spreading spontaneous knowledge AKA stereotypes about those countries. Both of those countries (as I can tell) are huge and extremelly diverse, so, for example, one's stereotypes of Chinese village would hardly apply to Chinese megapolis. And to be fair, I find unbacked stereotypes being repeated over and over to be a bad thing - a kind of background noise that can drown actual signal (input from people who've been there and done that).
        VladRussian 16y ago
        >Sorry, but I have another experience of living in Russia for 26 years. as i expected, you're from the generation of "teach Putin how to make Zhiguli a better car than Lexus" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38lyqbwPkE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38lyqbwPkE >I doubt that those four years of difference would make your opinion much more credible than mine. 1. Putin's Russia is pretty much the only Russia you had chance to see and critically analyze (not that you've actually used that chance though :) 2.as one smart man said "change of point of view worth additional 80 IQ points". You don't have multi-year experience of living in the society which has achieved significant advances on the issue of equal rights for women, so you just can't benchmark Russian society against it. Wrt. India or China - well, may i venture a guess that you didn't talk informally on numerous occasions through the years with Chinese or Indians about their countries? >And to be fair, I find unbacked stereotypes being repeated over and over to be a bad thing - a kind of background noise that can drown actual signal (input from people who've been there and done that). If not for my "unbacked stereotypes", your opinion wrt. Russia, for example, would supposedly be the "actual signal" as you're presenting yourself as "been there and done that" where is your experience of Russia, inside and outside, lacks significantly compare to my as i explained above.

guard-of-terra 16y ago

I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. Facts so far: Google.cn's government relations were a team of three ladies, which was a public fact. This configuration is presumed to be suboptimal in china. You could not figure out who does government relations for leading Russian internet companies. Their public relations are largely done by women, and this is natural for Russia and doesn't seem to cause trouble. A picture for meditation: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/ http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/

VladRussian 16y ago
>I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. great, as it has nothing do to with my posts. >Their public relations are largely done by women, again, who mans theirs PR or kitchen or accounting has nothing to do with my posts. You've brought in unrelated themes. The onus is on you to show how they are related, if any, to the original discussion theme.
- guard-of-terra 16y ago
  You have asserted that there was a problem arising from the fact that google.cn's government relations team was all-woman. And then you have asserted that Russia would share that property. You didn't back your latter statement with any facts, so I would like to hear some. If you sort of "just know" that, then I would symmetrically declare that I "just know" the opposite and I don't see how it would progress from there.
  - VladRussian 16y ago
    >You have asserted that there was a problem arising from the fact that google.cn's government relations team was all-woman. And then you have asserted that Russia would share that property. yes, if you look at my original posts, it is my personal opinion. It is based on my experience living the first 30 years of my life in Russia, ie. "just know". >You didn't back your latter statement with any facts, so I would like to hear some. I wonder what facts you imagine can be used to back such statement. >then I would symmetrically declare that I "just know" the opposite and i'm pretty surprised that you may "just know" the opposite. Have you been/ are you living in Russia? >and I don't see how it would progress from there. There is no chance of progress here. It is one of the reasons i left the country (please spare the propaganda that thing have changed during last 10 years - it isn't always working even for people who live there permanently)
    - guard-of-terra 16y ago
      Sorry, but I have another experience of living in Russia for 26 years. I doubt that those four years of difference would make your opinion much more credible than mine. Moreover, I work at one of largest Internet firms (no any management, but still) and your assertions just don't "click" with my experience. I imagine that you could show that Internet companies working in Russia indeed have government relations teams and those tend to be mostly-male; but that's not only thing I can imagine. The problem is that you supplied none. Another thing is that I assume you've never been to China and India, which doesn't prevent you from spreading spontaneous knowledge AKA stereotypes about those countries. Both of those countries (as I can tell) are huge and extremelly diverse, so, for example, one's stereotypes of Chinese village would hardly apply to Chinese megapolis. And to be fair, I find unbacked stereotypes being repeated over and over to be a bad thing - a kind of background noise that can drown actual signal (input from people who've been there and done that).
      - VladRussian 16y ago
        >Sorry, but I have another experience of living in Russia for 26 years. as i expected, you're from the generation of "teach Putin how to make Zhiguli a better car than Lexus" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38lyqbwPkE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38lyqbwPkE >I doubt that those four years of difference would make your opinion much more credible than mine. 1. Putin's Russia is pretty much the only Russia you had chance to see and critically analyze (not that you've actually used that chance though :) 2.as one smart man said "change of point of view worth additional 80 IQ points". You don't have multi-year experience of living in the society which has achieved significant advances on the issue of equal rights for women, so you just can't benchmark Russian society against it. Wrt. India or China - well, may i venture a guess that you didn't talk informally on numerous occasions through the years with Chinese or Indians about their countries? >And to be fair, I find unbacked stereotypes being repeated over and over to be a bad thing - a kind of background noise that can drown actual signal (input from people who've been there and done that). If not for my "unbacked stereotypes", your opinion wrt. Russia, for example, would supposedly be the "actual signal" as you're presenting yourself as "been there and done that" where is your experience of Russia, inside and outside, lacks significantly compare to my as i explained above.