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This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about a

This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about any of this. They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist. This is coming from a recent former republican. I miss George Will’s Republican party.

mrkstu 6y ago
There is no reason to 'other' people like this. Parties are things that people adhere to, some for a season, some for a lifetime, but they reflect very little about their worth as human beings. I come from a large family and we represent the whole spectrum of political beliefs, in a single generation, and all my sibs are equally kind and selfless, regardless of their political affiliation.
- citizenkeen 6y ago
  I think they were referring to the elected Republicans, not lay people. I'd be curious to know which elected (R) Senator/Congressperson you would consider kind and selfless.
  - war1025 6y ago
    I'd be curious which (D) representative you think would fit that criteria either. Politicians are egomaniacs almost by definition.
  - elbigbad 6y ago
    Yes, that’s what I meant, I should have been more clear.
  - mrkstu 6y ago
    Politicians as a class aren't well known for their kindness, but Senator Romney, Jeb Bush, Jeff Flake, Lamar Alexander and Will Hurd come to mind.
tinalumfoil 6y ago
> They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist The Trump Republicans are far better in terms of war crimes. Not "better in terms of war crimes" is some sort of crowning achievement, but its hard to get much lower than srone striking Americans on foreign soil. To say Trump isn't an improvement over Busch just boggles my mind.
- altcognito 6y ago
  He revoked the transparency surrounding drone strikes, so you don't know how often they happen. He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts. He is setting up companies to steal oil from Syria and has always stated that we would be fools not to take those military earned resources. The state kills unarmed people in the US everyday, I see drone strikes in war zones as as far tinier issue than all of the above.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    > He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts. I am unaware of that, do you have any reference?
    - pm90 6y ago
      Can you not Google? Here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallag...
      - ekianjo 6y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_(Navy_SEAL) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_(Navy_SEAL) "Gallagher was acquitted on all but one of the charges he faced on July 2, 2019. He was found guilty of posing for a photograph with the teenager's corpse in violation of Uniform Code of Military Justice article 134, "General article"." And the justice decision was made by a jury, Trump had nothing to do with it: "The jury for Gallagher's court-martial was composed of five enlisted men, including a Navy SEAL and four Marines, plus a Navy commander and a Marine chief warrant officer, after the defense had rejected several other candidates." The pardon of Trump was for the demotion and the prison time. Where do you see any information that he considered a "war criminal" after his trial?
godzulu 6y ago
that's funny, because I feel that the DNC is the most soulless, vicious, corrupt and generally awful human beings there are.
- elbigbad 6y ago
  You’re of course welcome to your opinion, and welcome to make the opinion the exact opposite of mine to try to mock the situation. That says a lot of negative things about your character. Nevertheless, my opinion is based on the recent history of the current makeup of the Republican Party and their deplorable actions. I’m sure you can find something to disagree with on the DNC side, but that’s not the point. People can reasonably and strongly disagree and still work with one another and respect one another’s goals. The gulf between this and where the current Republican Party is may as well be an ocean. This is the party of Trump, a fake gold veneer on rusted metal.
- mcphage 6y ago
  How many people from this administration ended up in jail? And how many from the last? You can feel whatever you want, but the math isn’t in your favor.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    How many people were killed by wars started in the previous administration? I'll let you ponder on that.
    - jgwil2 6y ago
      Which wars exactly?
      - ekianjo 6y ago
        That was not too long ago that we had a Peace Nobel Prize president who actively continued conflicts and initiated new ones. I hope you appreciate the irony of the whole peace prize theater. - Afghanistan (from which he promised to stop the conflict, did not happen). - Libya. (death toll, about 20 000 depending on who you believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_...) And let's not forget the systematic use of secret drone strikes to kill targets on president's orders.
stagehn 6y ago
That's a despicable (let alone false) thing to say and you should be ashamed of yourself.
- Craighead 6y ago
  There is clearly evidence that proves elbigbad's point.
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523984.

mrkstu 6y ago

There is no reason to 'other' people like this. Parties are things that people adhere to, some for a season, some for a lifetime, but they reflect very little about their worth as human beings. I come from a large family and we represent the whole spectrum of political beliefs, in a single generation, and all my sibs are equally kind and selfless, regardless of their political affiliation.

citizenkeen 6y ago
I think they were referring to the elected Republicans, not lay people. I'd be curious to know which elected (R) Senator/Congressperson you would consider kind and selfless.
- war1025 6y ago
  I'd be curious which (D) representative you think would fit that criteria either. Politicians are egomaniacs almost by definition.
- elbigbad 6y ago
  Yes, that’s what I meant, I should have been more clear.
- mrkstu 6y ago
  Politicians as a class aren't well known for their kindness, but Senator Romney, Jeb Bush, Jeff Flake, Lamar Alexander and Will Hurd come to mind.

tinalumfoil 6y ago

> They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist The Trump Republicans are far better in terms of war crimes. Not "better in terms of war crimes" is some sort of crowning achievement, but its hard to get much lower than srone striking Americans on foreign soil. To say Trump isn't an improvement over Busch just boggles my mind.

altcognito 6y ago
He revoked the transparency surrounding drone strikes, so you don't know how often they happen. He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts. He is setting up companies to steal oil from Syria and has always stated that we would be fools not to take those military earned resources. The state kills unarmed people in the US everyday, I see drone strikes in war zones as as far tinier issue than all of the above.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  > He pardoned war criminals found guilty by our own military courts. I am unaware of that, do you have any reference?
  - pm90 6y ago
    Can you not Google? Here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallag...
    - ekianjo 6y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_(Navy_SEAL) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_(Navy_SEAL) "Gallagher was acquitted on all but one of the charges he faced on July 2, 2019. He was found guilty of posing for a photograph with the teenager's corpse in violation of Uniform Code of Military Justice article 134, "General article"." And the justice decision was made by a jury, Trump had nothing to do with it: "The jury for Gallagher's court-martial was composed of five enlisted men, including a Navy SEAL and four Marines, plus a Navy commander and a Marine chief warrant officer, after the defense had rejected several other candidates." The pardon of Trump was for the demotion and the prison time. Where do you see any information that he considered a "war criminal" after his trial?

godzulu 6y ago

that's funny, because I feel that the DNC is the most soulless, vicious, corrupt and generally awful human beings there are.

elbigbad 6y ago
You’re of course welcome to your opinion, and welcome to make the opinion the exact opposite of mine to try to mock the situation. That says a lot of negative things about your character. Nevertheless, my opinion is based on the recent history of the current makeup of the Republican Party and their deplorable actions. I’m sure you can find something to disagree with on the DNC side, but that’s not the point. People can reasonably and strongly disagree and still work with one another and respect one another’s goals. The gulf between this and where the current Republican Party is may as well be an ocean. This is the party of Trump, a fake gold veneer on rusted metal.
mcphage 6y ago
How many people from this administration ended up in jail? And how many from the last? You can feel whatever you want, but the math isn’t in your favor.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  How many people were killed by wars started in the previous administration? I'll let you ponder on that.
  - jgwil2 6y ago
    Which wars exactly?
    - ekianjo 6y ago
      That was not too long ago that we had a Peace Nobel Prize president who actively continued conflicts and initiated new ones. I hope you appreciate the irony of the whole peace prize theater. - Afghanistan (from which he promised to stop the conflict, did not happen). - Libya. (death toll, about 20 000 depending on who you believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_...) And let's not forget the systematic use of secret drone strikes to kill targets on president's orders.

stagehn 6y ago

That's a despicable (let alone false) thing to say and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Craighead 6y ago
There is clearly evidence that proves elbigbad's point.

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523984.