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> A single long-haul flight can generate as much CO2 per passenger as many people in the world generate in an entire year Then ask your government to introduce

> A single long-haul flight can generate as much CO2 per passenger as many people in the world generate in an entire year Then ask your government to introduce carbon tax to make easier for normal people decide how to spend their hard earned money climate-efficiently instead of shaming people. > It could easily be tons of CO2 Sure. Maybe they should buy a new flat instead, which was build using concrete, which was produced emitting a lot of CO2. Or maybe they should buy a car instead and burn oil producing CO2 and driving roads and bridges which were built from concrete with emissions lot of CO2. Or maybe they should just spend their money buying some useless stuff without even thinking how much CO2 was emitted for production of that stuff. Just introduce carbon tax.

guerrilla 6y ago
One can do that and demand that people stop doing immoral and destructive things. No need for "just" anything.
- lightgreen 6y ago
  This is exactly the problem! Some people insist something is immoral without doing any quantitive analysis. (The statement "one flight produces the same amount of CO2 as ..." is not good enough analysis. Airlines (including freight) produce about 2% of all emissions, so if all people stop using planes completely, it will amount only to 2% reduction). (Should I also avoid buying something with expedited delivery because it will be deliverd by an airplane? Should I stop flying for a vacation once a year? Should I stop inviting my parents to visit me, because they would come by plane?) How can we be sure that flying is more immoral than other activities which produce CO2 (including driving, housing, electricity and so on)? And again, even if in theory all people in the world will try to do only the "right" things, it will still work worse than carbon tax. Simply because people don't know and cannot know much CO2 in that particular dollar spent, but competivite market knows. Shaming is just counter-productive virtue signalling. Carbon tax is a rational and efficient way to solve CO2 emissions riddle.
  - guerrilla 6y ago
    > Should I also avoid buying something with expedited delivery because it will be deliverd by an airplane? Should I stop flying for a vacation once a year? Should I stop inviting my parents to visit me, because they would come by plane Yes, obviously. > How can we be sure that flying is more immoral than other activities which produce CO2 (including driving, housing, electricity and so on)? Others have answered this in this thread and elsewhere repeatedly. > And again, even if in theory all people in the world will try to do only the "right" things, it will still work worse than carbon tax Again, false dichotomy. > Shaming is just counter-productive virtue signalling. Carbon tax is a rational and efficient way to solve CO2 emissions riddle This is just a nonsense divisive ans dismissive classification. It's called asking people not to do bad things and not doing bad things. Pretty simple.
    - lightgreen 6y ago
      >> Should I stop inviting my parents to visit me, because they would come by plane > Yes, obviously I rest my case.
asdasfasdfasdf 6y ago
yeah but also in the meantime... be reasonable and don't take 7 hour flights to nowhere

guerrilla 6y ago

One can do that and demand that people stop doing immoral and destructive things. No need for "just" anything.

lightgreen 6y ago
This is exactly the problem! Some people insist something is immoral without doing any quantitive analysis. (The statement "one flight produces the same amount of CO2 as ..." is not good enough analysis. Airlines (including freight) produce about 2% of all emissions, so if all people stop using planes completely, it will amount only to 2% reduction). (Should I also avoid buying something with expedited delivery because it will be deliverd by an airplane? Should I stop flying for a vacation once a year? Should I stop inviting my parents to visit me, because they would come by plane?) How can we be sure that flying is more immoral than other activities which produce CO2 (including driving, housing, electricity and so on)? And again, even if in theory all people in the world will try to do only the "right" things, it will still work worse than carbon tax. Simply because people don't know and cannot know much CO2 in that particular dollar spent, but competivite market knows. Shaming is just counter-productive virtue signalling. Carbon tax is a rational and efficient way to solve CO2 emissions riddle.
- guerrilla 6y ago
  > Should I also avoid buying something with expedited delivery because it will be deliverd by an airplane? Should I stop flying for a vacation once a year? Should I stop inviting my parents to visit me, because they would come by plane Yes, obviously. > How can we be sure that flying is more immoral than other activities which produce CO2 (including driving, housing, electricity and so on)? Others have answered this in this thread and elsewhere repeatedly. > And again, even if in theory all people in the world will try to do only the "right" things, it will still work worse than carbon tax Again, false dichotomy. > Shaming is just counter-productive virtue signalling. Carbon tax is a rational and efficient way to solve CO2 emissions riddle This is just a nonsense divisive ans dismissive classification. It's called asking people not to do bad things and not doing bad things. Pretty simple.
  - lightgreen 6y ago
    >> Should I stop inviting my parents to visit me, because they would come by plane > Yes, obviously I rest my case.

asdasfasdfasdf 6y ago

yeah but also in the meantime... be reasonable and don't take 7 hour flights to nowhere