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Worked right to the end even with her health challenges. What a role model.

mc32 6y ago
Hmm, I’m ambivalent about people who do this. I think if you know your time is near, you should take it easy. Do some mundane things. Yes, I know “but it’s the only thing I love doing”. I disagree with that choice.
- wilg 6y ago
  It's different when you're a member of the US SUPREME COURT
  - neltnerb 6y ago
    Yeah, right, most people don't have that kind of commitment so their job. It's not a good match for most people. Probably not something everyone should emulate.
  - casefields 6y ago
    Not really. It's just Weekend at Bernies with higher stakes.
jeffbee 6y ago
She should have retired before 2016 and let someone step up. Occupying the seat of power until you keel over at the age of 85 is a peculiar expression of ego and selfishness.
- tomrod 6y ago
  Clearly the congress at that time was acting in bad faith and would have delayed her successor being appointed, as they did with Merrick Garland.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    True, but in 2009 the congress was acting in a fairly reasonable way, and Ginsburg had already been on the bench for 29 years at that point. It was major failure of Democratic leadership that at a time when they controlled all branches of government they failed to make any significant reforms, such as admitting new states, expanding the size of the House of Representatives, or appointing judges.
    - tomrod 6y ago
      Hindsight 20/20.
      - manquer 6y ago
        Hubris and poor leadership. It was always rare to have control of all three.you use it when you have it. Instead of acting on key agenda, there was hardly anything done given the power they had. Say what you will about the republicans with similar control they will absolutely enact a lot of changes in their agenda. I may not like their agenda at all, but I can appreciate how they go about it.
        cmrdporcupine 6y ago
        From up here in Canada it was weird to watch. Obama spoke really loud about his agenda and desires and was extremely popular and they controlled all three and then turned around and didn't really get much done for fear of the moderates in their own party, or something, I don't know. The ACA looks really... like... huh? Neo-Feudal health care. Or they weren't really interested in doing the things they said they were going to do and in fact the Democratic party is in general far more to the right than it claims to be to win elections. And I think that's the more likely and more concerning aspect of American politics is this "ratcheting effect" towards the right; the Republicans come in with a fairly extreme agenda (in the context of the rest of the western world's politics), do a bunch of fairly extreme things, then the Democrats gain some modicum of power and do very little to reverse it, and the cycle continues. It doesn't bode well for the upcoming election.
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
  It's also completely orthogonal to her life's work. Why would you spend a lifetime dedicating yourself to democratic ideals, when you know that, if you pass, you would be replaced not only by someone who doesn't share those ideals, but by an individual whom would change the tilt of the court.
- smnrchrds 6y ago
  I am not American and I am not familiar with the legacy of justice Ginsburg. Looking at it from a non-American perspective, I would find it very odd for a supreme court judge, who is supposed to be non-partisan and neutral, to favour one party over another, even just in the matter of choosing a successor. Wasn't justice Ginsburg of the same mind?
  - adjkant 6y ago
    What has become clear over the past 100 years or so is that people have ideas, and they work to find logic to support them working backwards. Laws all need interpretation, there's no way around it. And by ideas, it appears to mean ethical frameworks these days. The interpretation of laws is very much based on the ethical framework of a person even if they possess the same logic. The proxy for the parties then become the judicial versions of literal constitutionalism (Republicans today, more literal typically means more conservative) and statutory interpretation (liberals), which then cause a clear split in conclusion for many cases, increasingly so. This is a natural reflection of American society slowly drifting and polarizing into two groups of thought, and judges are human minds, not computers.
leetrout 6y ago
Unsure: are you being sarcastic?
- ALittleLight 6y ago
  Death comes for all, soon or late And how can one die better, than holding powerful rank For the envy of your peers, and the bounty of your bank?
Kranar 6y ago
I disagree entirely and in fact most of the rest of the world have laws against Supreme Court Justices serving well into old age like this. Her health problems were known during President Obama's term and it was nothing more than hubris on her part to continue serving. It's fairly irresponsible to work until the day you die if a sudden death can have absolutely devastating and life changing consequences for a significant number of people.
- bredren 6y ago
  > It's fairly irresponsible... It shows poor judgement. I think it shows she was as hungry for power as anyone else. "In 1999, she underwent major surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation to treat colon cancer. Ten years later, she was diagnosed with early stage pancreatic cancer, for which she also had surgery. In 2014, she went to the hospital after suffering chest pains during one of her famous workouts and discovered she had a blocked artery. [1] She had been a supreme court justice for almost 20 years by then. Regardless of whether Obama's pick would have been watered down by lack of congressional control, her vanity has made things much worse and tarnishes her entire career. Edit: So I don’t regret this entirely, she is deserving of great respect even if she made a possibly grave miscalculation. We do not know the outcome yet, and whether intended or not this could result in something bigger working out in the same way WeWork’s failure could turn out to be a boon to RISC V. [1] https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-bader-ginsburg-rbg-got-wrong-obama-trump/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-...
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mc32 6y ago

Hmm, I’m ambivalent about people who do this. I think if you know your time is near, you should take it easy. Do some mundane things. Yes, I know “but it’s the only thing I love doing”. I disagree with that choice.

wilg 6y ago
It's different when you're a member of the US SUPREME COURT
- neltnerb 6y ago
  Yeah, right, most people don't have that kind of commitment so their job. It's not a good match for most people. Probably not something everyone should emulate.
- casefields 6y ago
  Not really. It's just Weekend at Bernies with higher stakes.

jeffbee 6y ago

She should have retired before 2016 and let someone step up. Occupying the seat of power until you keel over at the age of 85 is a peculiar expression of ego and selfishness.

tomrod 6y ago
Clearly the congress at that time was acting in bad faith and would have delayed her successor being appointed, as they did with Merrick Garland.
- jeffbee 6y ago
  True, but in 2009 the congress was acting in a fairly reasonable way, and Ginsburg had already been on the bench for 29 years at that point. It was major failure of Democratic leadership that at a time when they controlled all branches of government they failed to make any significant reforms, such as admitting new states, expanding the size of the House of Representatives, or appointing judges.
  - tomrod 6y ago
    Hindsight 20/20.
    - manquer 6y ago
      Hubris and poor leadership. It was always rare to have control of all three.you use it when you have it. Instead of acting on key agenda, there was hardly anything done given the power they had. Say what you will about the republicans with similar control they will absolutely enact a lot of changes in their agenda. I may not like their agenda at all, but I can appreciate how they go about it.
      - cmrdporcupine 6y ago
        From up here in Canada it was weird to watch. Obama spoke really loud about his agenda and desires and was extremely popular and they controlled all three and then turned around and didn't really get much done for fear of the moderates in their own party, or something, I don't know. The ACA looks really... like... huh? Neo-Feudal health care. Or they weren't really interested in doing the things they said they were going to do and in fact the Democratic party is in general far more to the right than it claims to be to win elections. And I think that's the more likely and more concerning aspect of American politics is this "ratcheting effect" towards the right; the Republicans come in with a fairly extreme agenda (in the context of the rest of the western world's politics), do a bunch of fairly extreme things, then the Democrats gain some modicum of power and do very little to reverse it, and the cycle continues. It doesn't bode well for the upcoming election.
JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
It's also completely orthogonal to her life's work. Why would you spend a lifetime dedicating yourself to democratic ideals, when you know that, if you pass, you would be replaced not only by someone who doesn't share those ideals, but by an individual whom would change the tilt of the court.
smnrchrds 6y ago
I am not American and I am not familiar with the legacy of justice Ginsburg. Looking at it from a non-American perspective, I would find it very odd for a supreme court judge, who is supposed to be non-partisan and neutral, to favour one party over another, even just in the matter of choosing a successor. Wasn't justice Ginsburg of the same mind?
- adjkant 6y ago
  What has become clear over the past 100 years or so is that people have ideas, and they work to find logic to support them working backwards. Laws all need interpretation, there's no way around it. And by ideas, it appears to mean ethical frameworks these days. The interpretation of laws is very much based on the ethical framework of a person even if they possess the same logic. The proxy for the parties then become the judicial versions of literal constitutionalism (Republicans today, more literal typically means more conservative) and statutory interpretation (liberals), which then cause a clear split in conclusion for many cases, increasingly so. This is a natural reflection of American society slowly drifting and polarizing into two groups of thought, and judges are human minds, not computers.

leetrout 6y ago

Unsure: are you being sarcastic?

ALittleLight 6y ago
Death comes for all, soon or late And how can one die better, than holding powerful rank For the envy of your peers, and the bounty of your bank?

Kranar 6y ago

I disagree entirely and in fact most of the rest of the world have laws against Supreme Court Justices serving well into old age like this. Her health problems were known during President Obama's term and it was nothing more than hubris on her part to continue serving. It's fairly irresponsible to work until the day you die if a sudden death can have absolutely devastating and life changing consequences for a significant number of people.

bredren 6y ago
> It's fairly irresponsible... It shows poor judgement. I think it shows she was as hungry for power as anyone else. "In 1999, she underwent major surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation to treat colon cancer. Ten years later, she was diagnosed with early stage pancreatic cancer, for which she also had surgery. In 2014, she went to the hospital after suffering chest pains during one of her famous workouts and discovered she had a blocked artery. [1] She had been a supreme court justice for almost 20 years by then. Regardless of whether Obama's pick would have been watered down by lack of congressional control, her vanity has made things much worse and tarnishes her entire career. Edit: So I don’t regret this entirely, she is deserving of great respect even if she made a possibly grave miscalculation. We do not know the outcome yet, and whether intended or not this could result in something bigger working out in the same way WeWork’s failure could turn out to be a boon to RISC V. [1] https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-bader-ginsburg-rbg-got-wrong-obama-trump/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-...
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