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And whose fault is it that "all other similar apps are banned in China"? Given that context, without overwhelming evidence that there's absolutely no connectio

And whose fault is it that "all other similar apps are banned in China"? Given that context, without overwhelming evidence that there's absolutely no connection between the Chinese government and WeChat, this is fair play, and the only valid arguments against this move are tactical rather than legal.

jpmoral 6y ago
>And whose fault is it that "all other similar apps are banned in China"? I'm not sure that 'China is doing it too' has any bearing on the lawfulness of US government action. >without overwhelming evidence that there's absolutely no connection between the Chinese government and WeChat I think the burden of proof goes the other way.
- chrchang523 6y ago
  If the argument was restricted to a claim that the technical details of the ban should be slightly different, you might have a point. But the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Something along these lines has been compelled by geopolitical game theory for years, as soon as it became clear that the preferred no-retaliation tactic was not going to work here. Laws will be updated as necessary to adapt to the strategic imperative. As a Chinese person, I'll take this over internment camps any day of the week. edit: To downvoters: I lived and worked in Shenzhen and Beijing in 2011-12. I aspired to do work there that was useful to humanity as a whole, both inside and outside of China, and it was already perfectly obvious then that I'd need to make use of my work not require any trust in the Chinese government. Not because of an existing law, but because of common sense regarding how much the rest of the world was going to continue putting up with. So I open-sourced everything that mattered, and that work did in fact go on to become trusted by professionals on both sides of the Great Firewall. Perhaps I'm still setting an unreasonable standard, but it's not one that I didn't try to meet myself.
- unishark 6y ago
  > I'm not sure that 'China is doing it too' has any bearing on the lawfulness of US government action. But that's essentially the basis for the other side of the argument in this case, namely that because China only allows certain apps which are hosted and monitored within China, America must too allow those apps which are hosted and monitored within China.

jpmoral 6y ago

>And whose fault is it that "all other similar apps are banned in China"? I'm not sure that 'China is doing it too' has any bearing on the lawfulness of US government action. >without overwhelming evidence that there's absolutely no connection between the Chinese government and WeChat I think the burden of proof goes the other way.

chrchang523 6y ago
If the argument was restricted to a claim that the technical details of the ban should be slightly different, you might have a point. But the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Something along these lines has been compelled by geopolitical game theory for years, as soon as it became clear that the preferred no-retaliation tactic was not going to work here. Laws will be updated as necessary to adapt to the strategic imperative. As a Chinese person, I'll take this over internment camps any day of the week. edit: To downvoters: I lived and worked in Shenzhen and Beijing in 2011-12. I aspired to do work there that was useful to humanity as a whole, both inside and outside of China, and it was already perfectly obvious then that I'd need to make use of my work not require any trust in the Chinese government. Not because of an existing law, but because of common sense regarding how much the rest of the world was going to continue putting up with. So I open-sourced everything that mattered, and that work did in fact go on to become trusted by professionals on both sides of the Great Firewall. Perhaps I'm still setting an unreasonable standard, but it's not one that I didn't try to meet myself.
unishark 6y ago
> I'm not sure that 'China is doing it too' has any bearing on the lawfulness of US government action. But that's essentially the basis for the other side of the argument in this case, namely that because China only allows certain apps which are hosted and monitored within China, America must too allow those apps which are hosted and monitored within China.