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Kind of OT but the links to articles mostly work, and I stumbled onto this ArsTechnica article postulating about rumors of an upcoming iPhone release: https://w

Kind of OT but the links to articles mostly work, and I stumbled onto this ArsTechnica article postulating about rumors of an upcoming iPhone release: https://web.archive.org/web/20061201011009/http://reddit.com/viewlink?id=954 https://web.archive.org/web/20061201011009/http://reddit.com... The comments below are well worth a read. Here's a sample: "...yaaawn... it's going to take a REALLY impressive phone for anyone to give a damn at this point. and as far as that pug-fugly blue & green mockup goes, if that's the phone (and it's not, where are the numbers? ive would not let something that ugly be associated w/ apple) it would be a disaster."

holler 6y ago
I found the links to be interesting as well! I had never heard of aimfight.com, or the lady who turns pets into pillows. Also interesting that Boeing adding wi-fi was news at that time, something taken for granted on flights in 2020. More comments from ^ iphone link: "I would be much more excited about an Apple-branding smartphone with iPod level storage capacity. This is neat, but doesn't appeal to me." "lol, i think that the target demographic are the crazy consumer who since the Ipod have been running rampant buying up any and all things related to "i" or "pod". just look at the naming of podcast or the iscreen and u can see that a lot of ppl are hopping on the i bandwagon. they probably just see a way to make some moneys with their iphone. altho, i must say if the phone looks like the 1 in that picture, thats kinda cool."
- SPascareli13 6y ago
  Wait, podcast is named after iPod?
  - Macha 6y ago
    Yes - a rival mp3 player producer pioneered the idea of episodic audio content that was automatically downloaded to the device to listen to on the go. But then they went bankrupt, and other developers implemented it for the iPod, which was the most popular device and that's the medium on which they caught on first, hence the name. Especially helped when Apple added actual support for iTunes. Also why the iTunes directory is the defacto podcast directory used by most independent podcast applications.
  - ironmagma 6y ago
    Used to be the idea was you subscribed to a podcast, and that meant your computer would download the files and then when you synced your iPod next, it would have the latest episodes, since iPods didn’t have WiFi back then.
leereeves 6y ago
That wasn't talking about the actual iPhone (which wasn't introduced until 2007), but about some hypothetical Motorola cobranded iTunes phone that hypothetically looked like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20061103062221/http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1156 https://web.archive.org/web/20061103062221/http://www.applei... It's nothing like the iPhone, and easy to see why no one was excited by that.
- Bluecobra 6y ago
  The Motorola Rokr was a real phone (and failure) that had iTunes: https://www.cultofmac.com/444315/apple-history-motorola-rokr-e1/amp/ https://www.cultofmac.com/444315/apple-history-motorola-rokr...
  - leereeves 6y ago
    Oh, nice. That was announced September 7, 2005, and the article above was posted July 20, so I guess the article was right about the upcoming announcement, and the comments were right about the phone's future. But the article's mock-up looks nothing like the phone.
read_if_gay_ 6y ago
That guy wasn’t wrong.
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ksaj 6y ago
I left Reddit because the extreme levels of opinion mixed with self-righteous cynicism inevitable in every single thread was unbearable. I enjoy reading conversation threads, which I think Hacker News has basically mastered. Reddit, not so much. These people think they know everything, dramatize the crap out of their hostile opinions, and yet as time goes on, they're quite often proven wrong. But that's what they seem to enjoy, so let 'em at it. I see Reddit as a rite of passage. Go there in your youth and pretend you know everything. Once you grow up and learn you don't know everything, move onto less obnoxious forums where you can discuss things like an adult. Not everything has to end in a meme of the day or an attack based on someone's assumptions of your personality/ knowledge/ skill/ appearance/ etc.
- fragsworth 6y ago
  I wouldn't say HN has mastered the conversation. There are still major issues, like how late comments can be drowned out by the noise, despite being really high quality. And how there's a tendency to brigade one side of an issue on particular topics. I think these problems are solvable with a bit of creativity.
  - ksaj 6y ago
    Yes there is that issue. If someone posts something, and you post the one and only correct answer 12 hours later, it is highly likely nobody will notice. But it does suit my attention span, so I don't even mind missing upvotes if I'm able to answer something a bit late for the party. Upvotes just mean that something I've said might be worth looking back on just in case there are replies to reply to. If I get an upvote for something I said more than 12 hours ago, I will at least notice that and get a chance to reply to it. Without that, they're lost, too. I just hope the OP notices whatever it was I tried to add, and move on. I'm not the center of what OP was presenting. Unlike Reddit, where everyone is competing to be that center. It's why I always upvote anything resembling a good thread. Sometimes its the only hope of noticing if a comment got any traction. There probably is no way to solve it for everyone. But at least here it doesn't automatically devolve into a meme or fire storm of utter hatred. When that is the norm, I know I'm not among peer and search for a different site. And I say all that knowing that nearly nobody will notice. ;p

holler 6y ago

I found the links to be interesting as well! I had never heard of aimfight.com, or the lady who turns pets into pillows. Also interesting that Boeing adding wi-fi was news at that time, something taken for granted on flights in 2020. More comments from ^ iphone link: "I would be much more excited about an Apple-branding smartphone with iPod level storage capacity. This is neat, but doesn't appeal to me." "lol, i think that the target demographic are the crazy consumer who since the Ipod have been running rampant buying up any and all things related to "i" or "pod". just look at the naming of podcast or the iscreen and u can see that a lot of ppl are hopping on the i bandwagon. they probably just see a way to make some moneys with their iphone. altho, i must say if the phone looks like the 1 in that picture, thats kinda cool."

SPascareli13 6y ago
Wait, podcast is named after iPod?
- Macha 6y ago
  Yes - a rival mp3 player producer pioneered the idea of episodic audio content that was automatically downloaded to the device to listen to on the go. But then they went bankrupt, and other developers implemented it for the iPod, which was the most popular device and that's the medium on which they caught on first, hence the name. Especially helped when Apple added actual support for iTunes. Also why the iTunes directory is the defacto podcast directory used by most independent podcast applications.
- ironmagma 6y ago
  Used to be the idea was you subscribed to a podcast, and that meant your computer would download the files and then when you synced your iPod next, it would have the latest episodes, since iPods didn’t have WiFi back then.

leereeves 6y ago

That wasn't talking about the actual iPhone (which wasn't introduced until 2007), but about some hypothetical Motorola cobranded iTunes phone that hypothetically looked like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20061103062221/http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1156 https://web.archive.org/web/20061103062221/http://www.applei... It's nothing like the iPhone, and easy to see why no one was excited by that.

Bluecobra 6y ago
The Motorola Rokr was a real phone (and failure) that had iTunes: https://www.cultofmac.com/444315/apple-history-motorola-rokr-e1/amp/ https://www.cultofmac.com/444315/apple-history-motorola-rokr...
- leereeves 6y ago
  Oh, nice. That was announced September 7, 2005, and the article above was posted July 20, so I guess the article was right about the upcoming announcement, and the comments were right about the phone's future. But the article's mock-up looks nothing like the phone.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago

That guy wasn’t wrong.

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ksaj 6y ago

I left Reddit because the extreme levels of opinion mixed with self-righteous cynicism inevitable in every single thread was unbearable. I enjoy reading conversation threads, which I think Hacker News has basically mastered. Reddit, not so much. These people think they know everything, dramatize the crap out of their hostile opinions, and yet as time goes on, they're quite often proven wrong. But that's what they seem to enjoy, so let 'em at it. I see Reddit as a rite of passage. Go there in your youth and pretend you know everything. Once you grow up and learn you don't know everything, move onto less obnoxious forums where you can discuss things like an adult. Not everything has to end in a meme of the day or an attack based on someone's assumptions of your personality/ knowledge/ skill/ appearance/ etc.

fragsworth 6y ago
I wouldn't say HN has mastered the conversation. There are still major issues, like how late comments can be drowned out by the noise, despite being really high quality. And how there's a tendency to brigade one side of an issue on particular topics. I think these problems are solvable with a bit of creativity.
- ksaj 6y ago
  Yes there is that issue. If someone posts something, and you post the one and only correct answer 12 hours later, it is highly likely nobody will notice. But it does suit my attention span, so I don't even mind missing upvotes if I'm able to answer something a bit late for the party. Upvotes just mean that something I've said might be worth looking back on just in case there are replies to reply to. If I get an upvote for something I said more than 12 hours ago, I will at least notice that and get a chance to reply to it. Without that, they're lost, too. I just hope the OP notices whatever it was I tried to add, and move on. I'm not the center of what OP was presenting. Unlike Reddit, where everyone is competing to be that center. It's why I always upvote anything resembling a good thread. Sometimes its the only hope of noticing if a comment got any traction. There probably is no way to solve it for everyone. But at least here it doesn't automatically devolve into a meme or fire storm of utter hatred. When that is the norm, I know I'm not among peer and search for a different site. And I say all that knowing that nearly nobody will notice. ;p