5 ms·

> There can be N failures that all contributed to a given disaster, and it's important to consider all points of failure which can be mitigated in the future, n

by pooper 6y ago

> There can be N failures that all contributed to a given disaster, and it's important to consider all points of failure which can be mitigated in the future, not just the most controversial point of failure. For the Uber thing, what incentive does the management have to do the right thing?

nickff 6y ago
Money damages, potential criminal lawsuits, and reputational harm which is real and costly (though I know HN is skeptical of it).
- pintxo 6y ago
  Funny that being ethical and prioritizing to not do harm is not on the list.
  - nickff 6y ago
    'Prioritizing to not do harm' is an ethical consideration, and ethics are subjective, so I didn't consider them 'incentives'. If the question had been about 'motives' or 'considerations', I would have included 'potential ethical beliefs'.
  - warent 6y ago
    The reason why is that presenting facts and concrete logic is more compatible with a greater array of people, whereas ethics and morals are subjective. Using a moral argument is not going to be as persuasive in business (particularly if, generally speaking, leadership is largely comprised of sociopaths, which is just a reality of this world)
    - pintxo 6y ago
      Thats pretty much what I meant with "funny".
- Twirrim 6y ago
  > reputational harm which is real and costly (though I know HN is skeptical of it). Largely because the world keeps demonstrating that reputational harm just doesn't happen to large companies. Uber included in this particular case. Here's the Uber trips per quarter (in millions) since Q2 2017 (source https://www.businessofapps.com/data/uber-statistics https://www.businessofapps.com/data/uber-statistics) Q2 2017 889 Q3 2017 985 Q4 2017 1,088 Q1 2018 1,136 Q2 2018 1,242 Q3 2018 1,348 Q4 2018 1,493 Q1 2019 1,550 Q2 2019 1,677 Q3 2019 1,770 Q4 2019 1,907 Q1 2020 1,658 The probable reason for the Q1 dip was the pandemic. The number of riders just keeps on rising. You can see the same with Target etc. Large breaches happen, major negative incidents, and at best you might see a blip. The large majority of people just don't give a shit, so companies are given permission to not give a shit either.

by pooper 6y ago

nickff 6y ago

Money damages, potential criminal lawsuits, and reputational harm which is real and costly (though I know HN is skeptical of it).

pintxo 6y ago
Funny that being ethical and prioritizing to not do harm is not on the list.
- nickff 6y ago
  'Prioritizing to not do harm' is an ethical consideration, and ethics are subjective, so I didn't consider them 'incentives'. If the question had been about 'motives' or 'considerations', I would have included 'potential ethical beliefs'.
- warent 6y ago
  The reason why is that presenting facts and concrete logic is more compatible with a greater array of people, whereas ethics and morals are subjective. Using a moral argument is not going to be as persuasive in business (particularly if, generally speaking, leadership is largely comprised of sociopaths, which is just a reality of this world)
  - pintxo 6y ago
    Thats pretty much what I meant with "funny".
Twirrim 6y ago
> reputational harm which is real and costly (though I know HN is skeptical of it). Largely because the world keeps demonstrating that reputational harm just doesn't happen to large companies. Uber included in this particular case. Here's the Uber trips per quarter (in millions) since Q2 2017 (source https://www.businessofapps.com/data/uber-statistics https://www.businessofapps.com/data/uber-statistics) Q2 2017 889 Q3 2017 985 Q4 2017 1,088 Q1 2018 1,136 Q2 2018 1,242 Q3 2018 1,348 Q4 2018 1,493 Q1 2019 1,550 Q2 2019 1,677 Q3 2019 1,770 Q4 2019 1,907 Q1 2020 1,658 The probable reason for the Q1 dip was the pandemic. The number of riders just keeps on rising. You can see the same with Target etc. Large breaches happen, major negative incidents, and at best you might see a blip. The large majority of people just don't give a shit, so companies are given permission to not give a shit either.