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> CCP having access to the data Wow, CCP will be able to slide into 17 year olds' DMs. Massive security threat. So much of the TikTok hysteria has been built

> CCP having access to the data Wow, CCP will be able to slide into 17 year olds' DMs. Massive security threat. So much of the TikTok hysteria has been built on "CCP will have X". Is there any verifiable proof at all that CCP is actively and illegally accessing user data through TikTok?

ericjang 6y ago
Yes https://twitter.com/ericjang11/status/1289713401992683523?s=20 https://twitter.com/ericjang11/status/1289713401992683523?s=...
- freebasenic 6y ago
  Linking a few of your own tweets to youtube videos is not very enlightening. Do you have an actual sourced article stating that the CCP is illegally accessing user data?
  - ericjang 6y ago
    Sorry, I misread the original question. I am not aware of the CCP accessing TikTok user data (for instance, to track dissidents or surreptitiously use it to compute social credit scores).
  - jariel 6y ago
    ? I'm shocked the question needs to be posed. All Chinese companies have CCP organs within them that the CPP uses to ensure the company adheres to party policy. They are using the internet and all it's operating entities as a massive surveillance and enforcement machine. Try posting a TikTok critical of China, or saying something about HK and see what happens. The data from Chinese apps can be accessed by Xi & Co. whenever, for whatever purposes, including finding out who your friends are so they can be sanctioned/imprisoned as well. Now - TikTok USA division - that's another story and it's hard to tell how far enforcement goes. Definitely it's censored and definitely there are elements of propaganda (you can tell from the content) but it's not hugely obvious. As far as data mining, I don't have specific information but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't have access to it just like WeChat. FYI This is why WeChat is 100% banned and there's no option for them while TikTok has an option to cut off from the parent company. [1] https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/politics-in-the-boardroom-the-role-of-chinese-communist-party-committees/ https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/politics-in-the-boardroom-th... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...
gabruoy 6y ago
The chinese being able to use data to influence 100 million American lives by determining what content is shown to people within a chinese app is a national security threat.
- rapferreira 6y ago
  I'd argue it's already happening, too. In March and April, all I saw were Trump's worst moments- his blunders, his viciousness, his arrogance. My distaste for Trump heightened; I became more reactive and further triggered by his incompetence. Then, back in early June, every last thing I saw on TikTok was insane forms of rioting and the worst police brutality there was. TikTok effectively increases national attention to things like this. The algorithm, of course, is reacting to my behavior- behavior which surely suggests that this is the type of content I "want" to see. If I go searching for basketball videos, I can teach the algorithm to populate my feed with them quite easily. But I never used the search bar. The danger of the echo-chamber, rabbit hole aspect of the algorithm combined with TikTok potentially hand-selecting the types of content to push by default to American people to stir political dissension is very much there.
  - coliveira 6y ago
    Is Facebook also owned by the CCP? Because that's the same kind of divisive content I see on FB. No need for TikTok to get this result, it is the byproduct of US politics.
  - woeirua 6y ago
    Yeah, I'm struggling to see the connection here... All social media was absolutely inundated at those same times with those same events. Twitter was the worst by far. I had to uninstall the app after a while because it was just so full of negativity it was really starting to affect my mental health.
- coliveira 6y ago
  People are complaining about a necessary byproduct of the US "globalization" strategy. It was a necessary result that in just a few years another country puts together technology equal or superior to US and starts doing the same strategies US companies such as FB have been using for a long time.

ericjang 6y ago

Yes https://twitter.com/ericjang11/status/1289713401992683523?s=20 https://twitter.com/ericjang11/status/1289713401992683523?s=...

freebasenic 6y ago
Linking a few of your own tweets to youtube videos is not very enlightening. Do you have an actual sourced article stating that the CCP is illegally accessing user data?
- ericjang 6y ago
  Sorry, I misread the original question. I am not aware of the CCP accessing TikTok user data (for instance, to track dissidents or surreptitiously use it to compute social credit scores).
- jariel 6y ago
  ? I'm shocked the question needs to be posed. All Chinese companies have CCP organs within them that the CPP uses to ensure the company adheres to party policy. They are using the internet and all it's operating entities as a massive surveillance and enforcement machine. Try posting a TikTok critical of China, or saying something about HK and see what happens. The data from Chinese apps can be accessed by Xi & Co. whenever, for whatever purposes, including finding out who your friends are so they can be sanctioned/imprisoned as well. Now - TikTok USA division - that's another story and it's hard to tell how far enforcement goes. Definitely it's censored and definitely there are elements of propaganda (you can tell from the content) but it's not hugely obvious. As far as data mining, I don't have specific information but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't have access to it just like WeChat. FYI This is why WeChat is 100% banned and there's no option for them while TikTok has an option to cut off from the parent company. [1] https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/politics-in-the-boardroom-the-role-of-chinese-communist-party-committees/ https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/politics-in-the-boardroom-th... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...

gabruoy 6y ago

The chinese being able to use data to influence 100 million American lives by determining what content is shown to people within a chinese app is a national security threat.

rapferreira 6y ago
I'd argue it's already happening, too. In March and April, all I saw were Trump's worst moments- his blunders, his viciousness, his arrogance. My distaste for Trump heightened; I became more reactive and further triggered by his incompetence. Then, back in early June, every last thing I saw on TikTok was insane forms of rioting and the worst police brutality there was. TikTok effectively increases national attention to things like this. The algorithm, of course, is reacting to my behavior- behavior which surely suggests that this is the type of content I "want" to see. If I go searching for basketball videos, I can teach the algorithm to populate my feed with them quite easily. But I never used the search bar. The danger of the echo-chamber, rabbit hole aspect of the algorithm combined with TikTok potentially hand-selecting the types of content to push by default to American people to stir political dissension is very much there.
- coliveira 6y ago
  Is Facebook also owned by the CCP? Because that's the same kind of divisive content I see on FB. No need for TikTok to get this result, it is the byproduct of US politics.
- woeirua 6y ago
  Yeah, I'm struggling to see the connection here... All social media was absolutely inundated at those same times with those same events. Twitter was the worst by far. I had to uninstall the app after a while because it was just so full of negativity it was really starting to affect my mental health.
coliveira 6y ago
People are complaining about a necessary byproduct of the US "globalization" strategy. It was a necessary result that in just a few years another country puts together technology equal or superior to US and starts doing the same strategies US companies such as FB have been using for a long time.