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I'm really glad things didn't work out that way. How are startups supposed to break into a market where they will always have to pay Apple 30% until they reach

I'm really glad things didn't work out that way. How are startups supposed to break into a market where they will always have to pay Apple 30% until they reach an incredible scale, and established players will have this huge advantage with Apple in addition to all their other advantages.

scarface74 6y ago
Every large company gets better deals on everything than small companies. Try manufacturing anything where you have small tub rates? Do you think startups get the same deals from the cloud providers as the big companies with multi million dollar spends? Do you think no name artists get the same deals as Beyoncé or Taylor Swift?
- noisem4ker 6y ago
  Is this the world we want?
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Really? The world where you get discounts based on volume? That’s the world as it has existed forever. Do you want to now have a law passed where no company is allowed to offer bulk discounts? I also can’t get the same component discounts if I opened up “Scarface’s PC Shop” to build and sell PCs that Dell gets.
    - hu3 6y ago
      > The world where you get discounts based on volume We're talking about creative and innovative creations here. Not grocery products. You'd want to incentivize small players, not smash them.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        So let’s talk about “innovative creations”. Musicians - the stars that sell more songs get much better contracts than newly discovered singers. Authors - Steven King gets a much better deal from publishers than a new author. Game publishers - big game publishers get much better deals from console makers than indy developers. Even Epic got much better support from Apple than indy developers. Do you think I could get Sony to make a “Scarface Edition” of the PlayStation? https://bgr.com/2020/09/17/fortnite-lawsuit-apple-epic-games-threats-revenue/ https://bgr.com/2020/09/17/fortnite-lawsuit-apple-epic-games... Software developers - almost every software company makes special deals with large enterprises. Cloud Providers - I’m assuming Azure and GCP make special deals with large enterprises. I’m not going to say one way or the other about Amazon since I work at AWS (but nowhere near sales).
        hu3 6y ago
        Why are you defending the status quo?
        scarface74 6y ago
        What are you proposing? That non proven talent should get the same terms as people with a track record? Is it also unfair that junior developers without a track record should get paid the same amount as someone with experience? Should I get the same contract if I start a podcast as Joe Rogan got from Spotify? Would you like the government to step in and force companies to offer everyone the same terms regardless of the size of the deal? While we are at, should the government itself not be allowed to negotiate? Should WordPress (the open source foundation) not be allowed to make a special deal with Automatticc?
        hu3 6y ago
        Strawman. We're discussing Epic vs Apple and an Epic victory has potential to benefit a huge portion of small players of the segment.
        scarface74 6y ago

scarface74 6y ago

Every large company gets better deals on everything than small companies. Try manufacturing anything where you have small tub rates? Do you think startups get the same deals from the cloud providers as the big companies with multi million dollar spends? Do you think no name artists get the same deals as Beyoncé or Taylor Swift?

noisem4ker 6y ago
Is this the world we want?
- scarface74 6y ago
  Really? The world where you get discounts based on volume? That’s the world as it has existed forever. Do you want to now have a law passed where no company is allowed to offer bulk discounts? I also can’t get the same component discounts if I opened up “Scarface’s PC Shop” to build and sell PCs that Dell gets.
  - hu3 6y ago
    > The world where you get discounts based on volume We're talking about creative and innovative creations here. Not grocery products. You'd want to incentivize small players, not smash them.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      So let’s talk about “innovative creations”. Musicians - the stars that sell more songs get much better contracts than newly discovered singers. Authors - Steven King gets a much better deal from publishers than a new author. Game publishers - big game publishers get much better deals from console makers than indy developers. Even Epic got much better support from Apple than indy developers. Do you think I could get Sony to make a “Scarface Edition” of the PlayStation? https://bgr.com/2020/09/17/fortnite-lawsuit-apple-epic-games-threats-revenue/ https://bgr.com/2020/09/17/fortnite-lawsuit-apple-epic-games... Software developers - almost every software company makes special deals with large enterprises. Cloud Providers - I’m assuming Azure and GCP make special deals with large enterprises. I’m not going to say one way or the other about Amazon since I work at AWS (but nowhere near sales).
      - hu3 6y ago
        Why are you defending the status quo?
        scarface74 6y ago
        What are you proposing? That non proven talent should get the same terms as people with a track record? Is it also unfair that junior developers without a track record should get paid the same amount as someone with experience? Should I get the same contract if I start a podcast as Joe Rogan got from Spotify? Would you like the government to step in and force companies to offer everyone the same terms regardless of the size of the deal? While we are at, should the government itself not be allowed to negotiate? Should WordPress (the open source foundation) not be allowed to make a special deal with Automatticc?
        hu3 6y ago
        Strawman. We're discussing Epic vs Apple and an Epic victory has potential to benefit a huge portion of small players of the segment.
        scarface74 6y ago