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Trump wasn't elected because of magic mind hacking by Facebook or whatever. He appealed to issues that people were concerned about, whatever you may think of th

by newen 6y ago

Trump wasn't elected because of magic mind hacking by Facebook or whatever. He appealed to issues that people were concerned about, whatever you may think of those issues, and so they voted for him.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters. We are living in an idiocracy now. 51% of Americans have no critical thinking skills. The "issues" are whatever you can use to trigger an emotional response from someone who is easily manipulated.
- Alupis 6y ago
  > Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters Colbert has built a career upon exaggerating and editorializing politics. He is an entertainer and comedian, not an analyst. He is hardly a sound source for any real political insight. > The "issues" are whatever you can use to trigger an emotional response from someone who is easily manipulated. I think the same can be said about both political ideologies in the US. Emotional issues are far easier to get worked up about, even if there is no easy solution to the "issue" at hand. To claim only 51% of the country falls into this category, and to imply it's only one political ideology, is disingenuous at best. Particularly when you lead your post with something a comedian said on a late night TV show, ie. the very same emotional appeal you rail against.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    I think the same can be said about both political ideologies in the US. Definitely. So much this, that I wonder if "both" is even the right word? So much sound and fury, and somehow Congress votes nearly unanimously to give rich people trillions in response to a pandemic, while doing nothing about health care. Somehow we're spending $750B on the military every year, more than the next fifteen nations combined, with our increase this year dwarfing Russia's total spending. Somehow in the coming election we have a confused loudmouth old man from the urban northeast who likes draft deferments, non-consensual digital penetration, and criminal-panic race baiting, running against Trump.
- rvz 6y ago
  This sentence could be true with each political faction once an entity gets to control the narrative and decide to see the views of some of the 'hardcore XYZ supporters' which then is used to reflect on how irrational an entire group of supporters are. This entity is the media companies. Replace XYZ with EU, Brexit, Biden, Trump, and in the UK: Boris Johnson, and Jeremey Corbyn. > Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters. It's a stretch to speak in complete absolutes here.
- entropea 6y ago
  >Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters. Not a defense of Trump supporters here, but do we know how many were edited out that intelligently spoke on issues to form the Triumph bit? Without that, you can't really make any determinations. On top of that, the sample size is likely very small.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    Editing doesn't matter. They all signed a release knowing that their recorded statements were perfectly fine in their own heads.
    - newen 6y ago
      It’s easy to find a lot of idiots who hate Trump too. Editing matters a lot.
    - entropea 6y ago
      You misinterpreted what I said. The point I was trying to make was not that what they were saying was edited, but that the choices of people who were selected to be in the bit was chosen, for the bit. There could have very well been a majority of well informed people, but that wouldn't have made for a great Triumph bit. You cannot make generalizations based on that video.
wonnage 6y ago
This is the same logic used by people who insist ads don't work on them, because "I never click them!"
- newen 6y ago
  Give me a break. All politicians put ads on Facebook. Surprising I know but Clinton put ads on Facebook too. Obama puts ads on Facebook, he gets marketing awards. Trump does the same thing and suddenly it’s armageddon and the Russians are coming.
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    > Trump does the same thing and suddenly it’s armageddon and the Russians are coming. I think the complaints about Trump's 2016 campaign are that: 1. There's an important difference between Americans spending money to influence an American election and Russians (secretly) spending money to influence an American election. (Alternatively/additionally, Russia hacked computers and used that illegally obtained data to influence the American election). 2. When targeting ads, there's a difference between using data that voters willingly give your campaign and data that was disingenuously collected about people (e.g. Cambridge Analytica's infamous "5,000 data points on every American"[0]). The extent to which either of these things happened is subject to debate, as is the extent to which either of them changed the outcome of the election. [0] https://www.wired.com/story/what-did-cambridge-analytica-really-do-for-trumps-campaign/ https://www.wired.com/story/what-did-cambridge-analytica-rea...

by newen 6y ago

Trump wasn't elected because of magic mind hacking by Facebook or whatever. He appealed to issues that people were concerned about, whatever you may think of those issues, and so they voted for him.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters. We are living in an idiocracy now. 51% of Americans have no critical thinking skills. The "issues" are whatever you can use to trigger an emotional response from someone who is easily manipulated.

Alupis 6y ago
> Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters Colbert has built a career upon exaggerating and editorializing politics. He is an entertainer and comedian, not an analyst. He is hardly a sound source for any real political insight. > The "issues" are whatever you can use to trigger an emotional response from someone who is easily manipulated. I think the same can be said about both political ideologies in the US. Emotional issues are far easier to get worked up about, even if there is no easy solution to the "issue" at hand. To claim only 51% of the country falls into this category, and to imply it's only one political ideology, is disingenuous at best. Particularly when you lead your post with something a comedian said on a late night TV show, ie. the very same emotional appeal you rail against.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  I think the same can be said about both political ideologies in the US. Definitely. So much this, that I wonder if "both" is even the right word? So much sound and fury, and somehow Congress votes nearly unanimously to give rich people trillions in response to a pandemic, while doing nothing about health care. Somehow we're spending $750B on the military every year, more than the next fifteen nations combined, with our increase this year dwarfing Russia's total spending. Somehow in the coming election we have a confused loudmouth old man from the urban northeast who likes draft deferments, non-consensual digital penetration, and criminal-panic race baiting, running against Trump.
rvz 6y ago
This sentence could be true with each political faction once an entity gets to control the narrative and decide to see the views of some of the 'hardcore XYZ supporters' which then is used to reflect on how irrational an entire group of supporters are. This entity is the media companies. Replace XYZ with EU, Brexit, Biden, Trump, and in the UK: Boris Johnson, and Jeremey Corbyn. > Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters. It's a stretch to speak in complete absolutes here.
entropea 6y ago
>Watch the latest Triumph bit from the Colbert show to see the mentality of Trump supporters. Not a defense of Trump supporters here, but do we know how many were edited out that intelligently spoke on issues to form the Triumph bit? Without that, you can't really make any determinations. On top of that, the sample size is likely very small.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Editing doesn't matter. They all signed a release knowing that their recorded statements were perfectly fine in their own heads.
  - newen 6y ago
    It’s easy to find a lot of idiots who hate Trump too. Editing matters a lot.
  - entropea 6y ago
    You misinterpreted what I said. The point I was trying to make was not that what they were saying was edited, but that the choices of people who were selected to be in the bit was chosen, for the bit. There could have very well been a majority of well informed people, but that wouldn't have made for a great Triumph bit. You cannot make generalizations based on that video.

wonnage 6y ago

This is the same logic used by people who insist ads don't work on them, because "I never click them!"

newen 6y ago
Give me a break. All politicians put ads on Facebook. Surprising I know but Clinton put ads on Facebook too. Obama puts ads on Facebook, he gets marketing awards. Trump does the same thing and suddenly it’s armageddon and the Russians are coming.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  > Trump does the same thing and suddenly it’s armageddon and the Russians are coming. I think the complaints about Trump's 2016 campaign are that: 1. There's an important difference between Americans spending money to influence an American election and Russians (secretly) spending money to influence an American election. (Alternatively/additionally, Russia hacked computers and used that illegally obtained data to influence the American election). 2. When targeting ads, there's a difference between using data that voters willingly give your campaign and data that was disingenuously collected about people (e.g. Cambridge Analytica's infamous "5,000 data points on every American"[0]). The extent to which either of these things happened is subject to debate, as is the extent to which either of them changed the outcome of the election. [0] https://www.wired.com/story/what-did-cambridge-analytica-really-do-for-trumps-campaign/ https://www.wired.com/story/what-did-cambridge-analytica-rea...