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>After the employee's departure, Google chose a three-person government relations team, all female, led by Julie Zhu, an energetic woman in her thirties. am i

>After the employee's departure, Google chose a three-person government relations team, all female, led by Julie Zhu, an energetic woman in her thirties. am i the only one who thinks that such approach have no chances to work in China, Russia, India, etc,...?

pnathan 16y ago
Why do you say that? In the USA, we do not consider such a person to be lesser....
- VladRussian 16y ago
  the point isn't about "lesser". It is about ability to communicate effectively and get things done with a government bureaucrat operating in the male chauvinistic environment. The phrases downstream in the article describe completely expected situation: >Zhu was better able to communicate with Mountain View. But she had her hands full fending off Chinese government directives. So they effectively improved interface to Google HQ instead of the interface to the government. That's very typical of western companies still learning how to operate outside of the Western culture.
guard-of-terra 16y ago
I doubt that you need a dedicated "government relations team" in countries other than China. As for ordinary public relations, in Russia they are executed by women more often than not. Editor-in-chief of Yandex, VP of marketing in Mail.ru, Director of PR of Google Russia are all women. I fail to understand why would you think this might be a problem.
- VladRussian 16y ago
  >I doubt that you need a dedicated "government relations team" in countries other than China. yep. A bunch of engineers got together and certified all these MS products with Russian Federal government on pure technical merits. Have you checked the place of Russia on the world corruption list? http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/... The China actually is listed as "cleaner" than Russia corruption-wise. And politically - well, Russia doesn't censor Tiananmen square, so on this one specific point Russia may be scoring a bit better :) >As for ordinary public relations, in Russia they are executed by women more often than not. So, you don't see any difference between governmental and public relations in Russia? You aren't kidding, right?
  - guard-of-terra 16y ago
    Please tell me who's in charge of governmental relations in Yandex, Mail.ru and Google Russia. If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none.
    - VladRussian 16y ago
      >If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none. how do you think i'm suppose to know who, for example, talks there with FSB about providing (or refusing to provide - as if somebody is able to refuse - and what consequences it will cause for the business :) with the access to the email boxes, searches, search requests' and forum posts' IPs and other information ? Obviously it is a serious behind-the-closed-doors business what isn't done by a girl from PR. The fact that i don't know who this person(s) is has no bearing on the fact of their existence.
      - guard-of-terra 16y ago
        I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. Facts so far: Google.cn's government relations were a team of three ladies, which was a public fact. This configuration is presumed to be suboptimal in china. You could not figure out who does government relations for leading Russian internet companies. Their public relations are largely done by women, and this is natural for Russia and doesn't seem to cause trouble. A picture for meditation: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/ http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/
        VladRussian 16y ago
        >I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. great, as it has nothing do to with my posts. >Their public relations are largely done by women, again, who mans theirs PR or kitchen or accounting has nothing to do with my posts. You've brought in unrelated themes. The onus is on you to show how they are related, if any, to the original discussion theme.

pnathan 16y ago

Why do you say that? In the USA, we do not consider such a person to be lesser....

VladRussian 16y ago
the point isn't about "lesser". It is about ability to communicate effectively and get things done with a government bureaucrat operating in the male chauvinistic environment. The phrases downstream in the article describe completely expected situation: >Zhu was better able to communicate with Mountain View. But she had her hands full fending off Chinese government directives. So they effectively improved interface to Google HQ instead of the interface to the government. That's very typical of western companies still learning how to operate outside of the Western culture.

guard-of-terra 16y ago

I doubt that you need a dedicated "government relations team" in countries other than China. As for ordinary public relations, in Russia they are executed by women more often than not. Editor-in-chief of Yandex, VP of marketing in Mail.ru, Director of PR of Google Russia are all women. I fail to understand why would you think this might be a problem.

VladRussian 16y ago
>I doubt that you need a dedicated "government relations team" in countries other than China. yep. A bunch of engineers got together and certified all these MS products with Russian Federal government on pure technical merits. Have you checked the place of Russia on the world corruption list? http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/... The China actually is listed as "cleaner" than Russia corruption-wise. And politically - well, Russia doesn't censor Tiananmen square, so on this one specific point Russia may be scoring a bit better :) >As for ordinary public relations, in Russia they are executed by women more often than not. So, you don't see any difference between governmental and public relations in Russia? You aren't kidding, right?
- guard-of-terra 16y ago
  Please tell me who's in charge of governmental relations in Yandex, Mail.ru and Google Russia. If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none.
  - VladRussian 16y ago
    >If you can't figure it out we'd assume there is none. how do you think i'm suppose to know who, for example, talks there with FSB about providing (or refusing to provide - as if somebody is able to refuse - and what consequences it will cause for the business :) with the access to the email boxes, searches, search requests' and forum posts' IPs and other information ? Obviously it is a serious behind-the-closed-doors business what isn't done by a girl from PR. The fact that i don't know who this person(s) is has no bearing on the fact of their existence.
    - guard-of-terra 16y ago
      I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. Facts so far: Google.cn's government relations were a team of three ladies, which was a public fact. This configuration is presumed to be suboptimal in china. You could not figure out who does government relations for leading Russian internet companies. Their public relations are largely done by women, and this is natural for Russia and doesn't seem to cause trouble. A picture for meditation: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/ http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/
      - VladRussian 16y ago
        >I'm not good at conspirology, sorry. Not going to debate it. great, as it has nothing do to with my posts. >Their public relations are largely done by women, again, who mans theirs PR or kitchen or accounting has nothing to do with my posts. You've brought in unrelated themes. The onus is on you to show how they are related, if any, to the original discussion theme.