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I think an aspect that is missing in our discussion is that not every company had to openly fight Apple. Netflix for instance got their deal without drama. Fro
by hrktb 6y ago
I think an aspect that is missing in our discussion is that not every company had to openly fight Apple. Netflix for instance got their deal without drama. From the court docs Epic and Apple were also negociating but it didn’t work well.
What I am saying is there is no “simple as that” way to look at it, and things could have gone way differently, even if Epic didn’t budge on getting rid of the 30%. In an alternative world Epic and Apple would have inked a deal at a lower revenue share and it would be over. Just like how Epic and Sony had a standoff regarding crossplay that got resolved without titanic lawsuits.
- laegooose 6y agoCan you please give a link about Netflix deal with Apple? Brief google search yields nothing.
- hrktb 6y agoApple carved out a special ‘reader apps’ category for Netflix and other providers to bypass the standard restrictions of needing to implement all digital payment in-app. https://www.fastcompany.com/90519293/the-surprisingly-simple-fix-for-apples-convoluted-app-store-rules https://www.fastcompany.com/90519293/the-surprisingly-simple... While looking for it, I also stumbled upon the special deal Amazon has with Apple allowing them to only pay 15%: https://9to5mac.com/2020/07/30/apple-developers-equally/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/07/30/apple-developers-equally/
- ghostbrainalpha 6y agoI'm really glad things didn't work out that way. How are startups supposed to break into a market where they will always have to pay Apple 30% until they reach an incredible scale, and established players will have this huge advantage with Apple in addition to all their other advantages.
- scarface74 6y agoEvery large company gets better deals on everything than small companies. Try manufacturing anything where you have small tub rates? Do you think startups get the same deals from the cloud providers as the big companies with multi million dollar spends? Do you think no name artists get the same deals as Beyoncé or Taylor Swift?
- noisem4ker 6y agoIs this the world we want?
- scarface74 6y agoReally? The world where you get discounts based on volume? That’s the world as it has existed forever. Do you want to now have a law passed where no company is allowed to offer bulk discounts? I also can’t get the same component discounts if I opened up “Scarface’s PC Shop” to build and sell PCs that Dell gets.
- hu3 6y ago> The world where you get discounts based on volume We're talking about creative and innovative creations here. Not grocery products. You'd want to incentivize small players, not smash them.
- scarface74 6y agoSo let’s talk about “innovative creations”. Musicians - the stars that sell more songs get much better contracts than newly discovered singers. Authors - Steven King gets a much better deal from publishers than a new author. Game publishers - big game publishers get much better deals from console makers than indy developers. Even Epic got much better support from Apple than indy developers. Do you think I could get Sony to make a “Scarface Edition” of the PlayStation? https://bgr.com/2020/09/17/fortnite-lawsuit-apple-epic-games-threats-revenue/ https://bgr.com/2020/09/17/fortnite-lawsuit-apple-epic-games... Software developers - almost every software company makes special deals with large enterprises. Cloud Providers - I’m assuming Azure and GCP make special deals with large enterprises. I’m not going to say one way or the other about Amazon since I work at AWS (but nowhere near sales).