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Locking down and/or outright refusing to enable purchases is one of the first steps taken when getting my kids new devices. The most recent setup of my daughter

Locking down and/or outright refusing to enable purchases is one of the first steps taken when getting my kids new devices. The most recent setup of my daughter's new PC in Windows 10 was easier than it had been on iOS for her iPhone.

KindOne 6y ago
How and why does your kids devices have access to your credit card info?
- flipgimble 6y ago
  I could give you a quick example but do you expect the answer to this repeated question changing the fact that this is a real issue for responsible and engaged parents? I was going to write more details, but I don't feel comfortable recounting other people's personal details. I could anonymize it but that would make it sound contrived. As someone who's daily job is consulting and helping solve tough technical problems for non-technical clients, I feel for these parents being overwhelmed. I can see how the technology is not always on their side when considering the marketing towards their kids and the type of e-commerce dark patterns.
  - ryneandal 6y ago
    > I feel for these parents being overwhelmed. I concur. I work with ACLs and permissions on a daily basis, my wife doesn't. This affinity for permissions structures rears it's head when she is entirely frustrated when setting up whitelisting for my daughter's MS account.
- ryneandal 6y ago
  Do you have children and/or have used most tech company's family account offerings? Apple, for an example, has a "master" account which controls billing. All purchases made on any associated family account are routed through this master account. My wife's purchases don't require approval, but all child accounts do. Microsoft's account structuring is very similar.
  - KindOne 6y ago
    No children and no family accounts. Every account I own is only used by me.
nodamage 6y ago
Part of Apple's objection to Fortnite's custom payment processing system is that it completely bypasses those parental controls.
- ryneandal 6y ago
  Yes, by requiring other types of payment validation, whether it's card entry or apple pay validaiton.

KindOne 6y ago

How and why does your kids devices have access to your credit card info?

flipgimble 6y ago
I could give you a quick example but do you expect the answer to this repeated question changing the fact that this is a real issue for responsible and engaged parents? I was going to write more details, but I don't feel comfortable recounting other people's personal details. I could anonymize it but that would make it sound contrived. As someone who's daily job is consulting and helping solve tough technical problems for non-technical clients, I feel for these parents being overwhelmed. I can see how the technology is not always on their side when considering the marketing towards their kids and the type of e-commerce dark patterns.
- ryneandal 6y ago
  > I feel for these parents being overwhelmed. I concur. I work with ACLs and permissions on a daily basis, my wife doesn't. This affinity for permissions structures rears it's head when she is entirely frustrated when setting up whitelisting for my daughter's MS account.
ryneandal 6y ago
Do you have children and/or have used most tech company's family account offerings? Apple, for an example, has a "master" account which controls billing. All purchases made on any associated family account are routed through this master account. My wife's purchases don't require approval, but all child accounts do. Microsoft's account structuring is very similar.
- KindOne 6y ago
  No children and no family accounts. Every account I own is only used by me.

nodamage 6y ago

Part of Apple's objection to Fortnite's custom payment processing system is that it completely bypasses those parental controls.

ryneandal 6y ago
Yes, by requiring other types of payment validation, whether it's card entry or apple pay validaiton.