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it's not their platform, it's users' platform. such a twisted mindset is the real reason why all the a$pl monopoly hurts.

shadowgovt 6y ago
When you buy into the Apple mobile ecosystem, it's very much because it's Apple's platform, and that's the value-add Apple brings to the table. Rewinding the clock: The iPhone hit a market that was full of low-quality hardware running lower-quality software. Apple brought to the consumer a tightly-controlled ecosystem that came with a quality guarantee. For my relatives who don't want to think hard about their phone working, I still recommend they buy Apple; pay Jobs's company the money, and they'll take care of you, from extended warranties to an app store designed to tamp down as best it can on scams and crap apps.
- newbie578 6y ago
  While what you are saying is true, those facts don't matter if the law has been broken. Apple's rules are not the law, it is a set of arbitrary rules which have to be enforced in the court of law. And Epic is currently trying to do just that, make the law say that those "arbitrary rules" are non-valid and anti-competitive. Even if it is the Apple ecosystem, "the Apple platform which brings value", if they engage in anti-competitive behaviour, they need to be dealt with. Some might argue that there were people who enjoyed using Bell Systems and were content with the value it was providing, it also had a "vertical integration" in the communications systems, and yet they were forced to comply with the anti-competitive laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System )
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Oh, 100% agree. It's entirely possible offering the ecosystem users want is illegal, and illegal for good reasons.
    - beached_whale 6y ago
      If that is illegal, I would hate to be Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon... They are all doing the same thing. The 30% isn't what will be decided, it will be the ability of manufactures to make walled gardens at all. Also, this would be the US only.
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shadowgovt 6y ago

When you buy into the Apple mobile ecosystem, it's very much because it's Apple's platform, and that's the value-add Apple brings to the table. Rewinding the clock: The iPhone hit a market that was full of low-quality hardware running lower-quality software. Apple brought to the consumer a tightly-controlled ecosystem that came with a quality guarantee. For my relatives who don't want to think hard about their phone working, I still recommend they buy Apple; pay Jobs's company the money, and they'll take care of you, from extended warranties to an app store designed to tamp down as best it can on scams and crap apps.

newbie578 6y ago
While what you are saying is true, those facts don't matter if the law has been broken. Apple's rules are not the law, it is a set of arbitrary rules which have to be enforced in the court of law. And Epic is currently trying to do just that, make the law say that those "arbitrary rules" are non-valid and anti-competitive. Even if it is the Apple ecosystem, "the Apple platform which brings value", if they engage in anti-competitive behaviour, they need to be dealt with. Some might argue that there were people who enjoyed using Bell Systems and were content with the value it was providing, it also had a "vertical integration" in the communications systems, and yet they were forced to comply with the anti-competitive laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System )
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Oh, 100% agree. It's entirely possible offering the ecosystem users want is illegal, and illegal for good reasons.
  - beached_whale 6y ago
    If that is illegal, I would hate to be Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon... They are all doing the same thing. The 30% isn't what will be decided, it will be the ability of manufactures to make walled gardens at all. Also, this would be the US only.
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