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I do not know why you are being downvoted (I upvoted this not because I agree with your view, but because I see your point as the one that deserves to be argued

by ptero 6y ago

I do not know why you are being downvoted (I upvoted this not because I agree with your view, but because I see your point as the one that deserves to be argued). I agree that the ability to reach user directly is a valuable feature to a developer. And your request sounds completely fine. But it is wide open to abuse. Now, that said, as a user I would be very unhappy if Apple started blasting my AppleID email to every app I decided to try. That would generate a ton of spam and probably make that email unusable for anything else. If a developer wants direct access to the user nothing prevents them from asking the user in an app (where the user has a chance to say "Hell, no!"). My 2c.

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BoorishBears 6y ago
You're inferring a request that isn't there though, I'm not saying Apple should send any emails without asking I'm saying Apple should not force anyone to implement it. Some apps just work even if users lose accounts easily. They tend to not push for logins immediately. Sign-in with Apple is a great match for them. But in others, if the user doesn't want to share their email, the dev wants that to be treated as "the user isn't logged in", "I haven't justified logging in". The dev wants to demonstrate enough value to justify you being logged in with an email. Sign-in with Apple is a terrible match for them creates a limbo state where users have accounts, but not full accounts. In those apps it's very awkward to handle in not just the app itself, but real world customer lifecycle events, like support - Not to mention other logins (and OAuth in general) already handle this, you ask permission to access email with an "email" scope and the user is clearly made aware they're sharing their email address And I mean it, the UX is not some shady misleading thing, it's in the best interests of Google and Facebook that your email doesn't become spam either.
- ptero 6y ago
  Good points and agree that "sign-in with Apple" is not a great match in many cases. And the developer is fighting an uphill battle against Apple who wants to be the required middleman in the relationship of the developer and the user.
- scarface74 6y ago
  And there are many services that will not allow you to create an account if you refuse to allow your email address to be shared. I believe one of those services is Zillow.

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BoorishBears 6y ago

You're inferring a request that isn't there though, I'm not saying Apple should send any emails without asking I'm saying Apple should not force anyone to implement it. Some apps just work even if users lose accounts easily. They tend to not push for logins immediately. Sign-in with Apple is a great match for them. But in others, if the user doesn't want to share their email, the dev wants that to be treated as "the user isn't logged in", "I haven't justified logging in". The dev wants to demonstrate enough value to justify you being logged in with an email. Sign-in with Apple is a terrible match for them creates a limbo state where users have accounts, but not full accounts. In those apps it's very awkward to handle in not just the app itself, but real world customer lifecycle events, like support - Not to mention other logins (and OAuth in general) already handle this, you ask permission to access email with an "email" scope and the user is clearly made aware they're sharing their email address And I mean it, the UX is not some shady misleading thing, it's in the best interests of Google and Facebook that your email doesn't become spam either.

ptero 6y ago
Good points and agree that "sign-in with Apple" is not a great match in many cases. And the developer is fighting an uphill battle against Apple who wants to be the required middleman in the relationship of the developer and the user.
scarface74 6y ago
And there are many services that will not allow you to create an account if you refuse to allow your email address to be shared. I believe one of those services is Zillow.