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Epic will get nothing. They were leaving anyways(their own words said it is not a sizable portion of their revenue at around 5%, I think). Apple has no obliga

Epic will get nothing. They were leaving anyways(their own words said it is not a sizable portion of their revenue at around 5%, I think). Apple has no obligation to help Epic make money on their platform. Now, if anyone has a claim, it could be the users of the devices themselves. They are stuck between two Titans throwing mountains at each other. In addition, the more they lose is an argument for Apple helping them make money.

diminish 6y ago
it's not their platform, it's users' platform. such a twisted mindset is the real reason why all the a$pl monopoly hurts.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  When you buy into the Apple mobile ecosystem, it's very much because it's Apple's platform, and that's the value-add Apple brings to the table. Rewinding the clock: The iPhone hit a market that was full of low-quality hardware running lower-quality software. Apple brought to the consumer a tightly-controlled ecosystem that came with a quality guarantee. For my relatives who don't want to think hard about their phone working, I still recommend they buy Apple; pay Jobs's company the money, and they'll take care of you, from extended warranties to an app store designed to tamp down as best it can on scams and crap apps.
  - newbie578 6y ago
    While what you are saying is true, those facts don't matter if the law has been broken. Apple's rules are not the law, it is a set of arbitrary rules which have to be enforced in the court of law. And Epic is currently trying to do just that, make the law say that those "arbitrary rules" are non-valid and anti-competitive. Even if it is the Apple ecosystem, "the Apple platform which brings value", if they engage in anti-competitive behaviour, they need to be dealt with. Some might argue that there were people who enjoyed using Bell Systems and were content with the value it was providing, it also had a "vertical integration" in the communications systems, and yet they were forced to comply with the anti-competitive laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System )
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      Oh, 100% agree. It's entirely possible offering the ecosystem users want is illegal, and illegal for good reasons.
      - beached_whale 6y ago
        If that is illegal, I would hate to be Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon... They are all doing the same thing. The 30% isn't what will be decided, it will be the ability of manufactures to make walled gardens at all. Also, this would be the US only.
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fencepost 6y ago
This whole thing may provide energy to any alternatives to Unreal Engine, though that may take time. Still, they'd probably prefer not to do too much to stimulate vigorous competition to their platform.
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  I don't think so. The clever thing Epic did here was to openly talk about how little of their revenue came from iOS. Who would want to build an engine for the (difficult to deal with) <5% of gamers that use Apple hardware? I'm pretty sure there is a good reason why Epic got early support from Microsoft. As much as this is about the app store tax, it is also a massive PR play to convince game developers to shun Apple.

diminish 6y ago

it's not their platform, it's users' platform. such a twisted mindset is the real reason why all the a$pl monopoly hurts.

shadowgovt 6y ago
When you buy into the Apple mobile ecosystem, it's very much because it's Apple's platform, and that's the value-add Apple brings to the table. Rewinding the clock: The iPhone hit a market that was full of low-quality hardware running lower-quality software. Apple brought to the consumer a tightly-controlled ecosystem that came with a quality guarantee. For my relatives who don't want to think hard about their phone working, I still recommend they buy Apple; pay Jobs's company the money, and they'll take care of you, from extended warranties to an app store designed to tamp down as best it can on scams and crap apps.
- newbie578 6y ago
  While what you are saying is true, those facts don't matter if the law has been broken. Apple's rules are not the law, it is a set of arbitrary rules which have to be enforced in the court of law. And Epic is currently trying to do just that, make the law say that those "arbitrary rules" are non-valid and anti-competitive. Even if it is the Apple ecosystem, "the Apple platform which brings value", if they engage in anti-competitive behaviour, they need to be dealt with. Some might argue that there were people who enjoyed using Bell Systems and were content with the value it was providing, it also had a "vertical integration" in the communications systems, and yet they were forced to comply with the anti-competitive laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System )
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Oh, 100% agree. It's entirely possible offering the ecosystem users want is illegal, and illegal for good reasons.
    - beached_whale 6y ago
      If that is illegal, I would hate to be Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon... They are all doing the same thing. The 30% isn't what will be decided, it will be the ability of manufactures to make walled gardens at all. Also, this would be the US only.
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fencepost 6y ago

This whole thing may provide energy to any alternatives to Unreal Engine, though that may take time. Still, they'd probably prefer not to do too much to stimulate vigorous competition to their platform.

fxtentacle 6y ago
I don't think so. The clever thing Epic did here was to openly talk about how little of their revenue came from iOS. Who would want to build an engine for the (difficult to deal with) <5% of gamers that use Apple hardware? I'm pretty sure there is a good reason why Epic got early support from Microsoft. As much as this is about the app store tax, it is also a massive PR play to convince game developers to shun Apple.