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To people upvoting the parent, do you really believe that the half of the population who don't have the same politicals views as you could only possibly be moti

To people upvoting the parent, do you really believe that the half of the population who don't have the same politicals views as you could only possibly be motivated by hatred? It's not possible for you to imagine anyone disagreeing with you might have a legitimate philosophical difference?

12xo 6y ago
I have yet to meet a single "follower" who can articulate the policy actions of this POTUS in any way shape or form. They instead talk about ideals and feelings... Not a single one can cite any policy and the facts and figures that come with these changes and moves. So yes. They are by motivated by hatred and bigotry and worse, ignorance. Regardless, one can support the policies of the GOP and not the man. And that is the problem here. People supporting the man in spite of the facts. So who is blind in that scenario? Those who cite facts or those who stick to their guns regardless?
- thursday0987 6y ago
  maybe the "followers" you know don't go into detail about policy because they can tell you just think they are motivated by hatred and bigotry and know that any detailed discussion with you will be pointless. "don't cast your pearls before swine" and all that. Why waste the energy having a detailed discussion with someone who has preconceived biases and won't listen anyways?
- logicchains 6y ago
  I'm not even American, but it didn't take me long to find a list of his policies: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-president-trumps-2nd-term-agenda-fighting-for-you/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-.... I'll list some of the less fanciful of those that many Americans agree with. -"Made in America" Tax Credits -Return to [covid] Normal in 2021 -Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States -Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China -Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States -No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China -Cut Prescription Drug Prices -Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums -Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions -End Surprise Billing -Provide School Choice to Every Child in America -Teach American Exceptionalism -Pass Congressional Term Limits -Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers -Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers -Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, Healthcare, and Free College Tuition -Mandatory Deportation for Non-Citizen Gang Members -Require New Immigrants to Be Able to Support Themselves Financially -Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and Send the First Manned Mission to Mars -Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home -Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share -Continue nominating constitutionalist Supreme Court and lower court judges -Support the exercise of Second Amendment rights Now you may say, those are just words, they mean nothing. Well during his term he did a reasonable job of sticking to his campaign promises: tax cuts, bans on Chinese companies like Huawei and Tiktok and higher tariffs with China, sanctioning Chinese officials in Hong Kong and Xinjiang, withdrawing troops back from the Middle East, negotiating pharmaceutical discounts, even building the stupid wall to limit illegal immigration. Recently there are three issues in particular that attract many people to him compared to Biden: he's seen as anti-covid-lockdowns, he's not going to try and take away their guns, and he's pro law-and-order, so they think if he wins he'll send in national police to stop the ongoing riots.
  - 12xo 6y ago
    You are not an American and yet you are here, telling us what is accurate and important when assessing the words, actions and policies of the POTUS? And using his own campaign site as fact??? Wow. I cant even begin to unwind your skewed propaganda with actual facts but no that none of those things you cited are factually correct. Not one. What country do you call home? Curious how you fall for propaganda without question or research. Where are you? And why do you think you have any place in this conversation?
    - joenot443 6y ago
      This is quite the overreaction, and not a good look.
    - logicchains 6y ago
      >You are not an American and yet you are here, telling us what is accurate and important when assessing the words, actions and policies of the POTUS? I'm sorry, does being American give you some special privileged access to American news that foreigners aren't allowed to see? I see the same news you do, interact with the same people online that you do. Facts don't change regardless of where you live; ethics doesn't change regardless of where you live. >And using his own campaign site as fact??? The question was about his policies; what better source of his policies could there be than the actual site where he officially announces his policies?
pulse7 6y ago
Many voted Trump not because he is ideal but because he is a republican (on paper at least) or because he seemed to be somehow better than Hillary. And it will happen again. Here on HN many are upvoting not because of party affiliation (many of us are from outside US) but because of mans works. If Trump wants to pardon Assange on condition - to get material to fight against democrats - and not on principle, then you may get a picture of what kind of a person he is! He is (just) a trader, not a man of principle... (unless this principle is called trading)
scrollaway 6y ago
I definitely don't, but it doesn't change much to the parent's point; keyword I'd "blinded", not "hatred". There is a lot of hate but what is really appalling is how few trump supporters can be reasoned with. Or can see reason at all. The ones that could... are no longer Trump supporters. It is somehow easier to believe that it's just hatred misguiding people, because the alternative is worse. Please do keep in mind that while it may be "half the US population" (it's not), it's definitely not half the world population. An absolute majority of the world is looking at the USA in utter disgust.
- logicchains 6y ago
  >There is a lot of hate but what is really appalling is how few trump supporters can be reasoned with. Or can see reason at all. The ones that could... are no longer Trump supporters. This is literally the exact same thing Trump supporters say about Democrats, that they only reason with emotion and can't use facts or logic. >Please do keep in mind that while it may be "half the US population" (it's not), it's definitely not half the world population. An absolute majority of the world is looking at the USA in utter disgust. He's actually relatively popular in India (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/08/how-people-around-the-world-see-the-u-s-and-donald-trump-in-10-charts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/08/how-people-...), and also in China (can't find a better source than https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Trump-popular-in-China https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Trump-popular-in-China, but if you know many mainland Chinese you could ask them), which make up a significant chunk of the global population.
  - scrollaway 6y ago
    > This is literally the exact same thing Trump supporters say about Democrats In the US it's generally true on both sides, because your politics are ridiculously "team" centric. A lot of democrats can't be reasoned with, with regards to their party's policies. The major difference is that the Trump "camp" takes it to an absurd level of cognitive dissonance and at this point, either you know what I'm talking about already, or it's not worth my time and energy to explain it here (sorry).

12xo 6y ago

I have yet to meet a single "follower" who can articulate the policy actions of this POTUS in any way shape or form. They instead talk about ideals and feelings... Not a single one can cite any policy and the facts and figures that come with these changes and moves. So yes. They are by motivated by hatred and bigotry and worse, ignorance. Regardless, one can support the policies of the GOP and not the man. And that is the problem here. People supporting the man in spite of the facts. So who is blind in that scenario? Those who cite facts or those who stick to their guns regardless?

thursday0987 6y ago
maybe the "followers" you know don't go into detail about policy because they can tell you just think they are motivated by hatred and bigotry and know that any detailed discussion with you will be pointless. "don't cast your pearls before swine" and all that. Why waste the energy having a detailed discussion with someone who has preconceived biases and won't listen anyways?
logicchains 6y ago
I'm not even American, but it didn't take me long to find a list of his policies: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-president-trumps-2nd-term-agenda-fighting-for-you/ https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-.... I'll list some of the less fanciful of those that many Americans agree with. -"Made in America" Tax Credits -Return to [covid] Normal in 2021 -Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States -Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China -Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States -No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China -Cut Prescription Drug Prices -Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums -Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions -End Surprise Billing -Provide School Choice to Every Child in America -Teach American Exceptionalism -Pass Congressional Term Limits -Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers -Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers -Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, Healthcare, and Free College Tuition -Mandatory Deportation for Non-Citizen Gang Members -Require New Immigrants to Be Able to Support Themselves Financially -Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and Send the First Manned Mission to Mars -Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home -Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share -Continue nominating constitutionalist Supreme Court and lower court judges -Support the exercise of Second Amendment rights Now you may say, those are just words, they mean nothing. Well during his term he did a reasonable job of sticking to his campaign promises: tax cuts, bans on Chinese companies like Huawei and Tiktok and higher tariffs with China, sanctioning Chinese officials in Hong Kong and Xinjiang, withdrawing troops back from the Middle East, negotiating pharmaceutical discounts, even building the stupid wall to limit illegal immigration. Recently there are three issues in particular that attract many people to him compared to Biden: he's seen as anti-covid-lockdowns, he's not going to try and take away their guns, and he's pro law-and-order, so they think if he wins he'll send in national police to stop the ongoing riots.
- 12xo 6y ago
  You are not an American and yet you are here, telling us what is accurate and important when assessing the words, actions and policies of the POTUS? And using his own campaign site as fact??? Wow. I cant even begin to unwind your skewed propaganda with actual facts but no that none of those things you cited are factually correct. Not one. What country do you call home? Curious how you fall for propaganda without question or research. Where are you? And why do you think you have any place in this conversation?
  - joenot443 6y ago
    This is quite the overreaction, and not a good look.
  - logicchains 6y ago
    >You are not an American and yet you are here, telling us what is accurate and important when assessing the words, actions and policies of the POTUS? I'm sorry, does being American give you some special privileged access to American news that foreigners aren't allowed to see? I see the same news you do, interact with the same people online that you do. Facts don't change regardless of where you live; ethics doesn't change regardless of where you live. >And using his own campaign site as fact??? The question was about his policies; what better source of his policies could there be than the actual site where he officially announces his policies?

pulse7 6y ago

Many voted Trump not because he is ideal but because he is a republican (on paper at least) or because he seemed to be somehow better than Hillary. And it will happen again. Here on HN many are upvoting not because of party affiliation (many of us are from outside US) but because of mans works. If Trump wants to pardon Assange on condition - to get material to fight against democrats - and not on principle, then you may get a picture of what kind of a person he is! He is (just) a trader, not a man of principle... (unless this principle is called trading)

scrollaway 6y ago

I definitely don't, but it doesn't change much to the parent's point; keyword I'd "blinded", not "hatred". There is a lot of hate but what is really appalling is how few trump supporters can be reasoned with. Or can see reason at all. The ones that could... are no longer Trump supporters. It is somehow easier to believe that it's just hatred misguiding people, because the alternative is worse. Please do keep in mind that while it may be "half the US population" (it's not), it's definitely not half the world population. An absolute majority of the world is looking at the USA in utter disgust.

logicchains 6y ago
>There is a lot of hate but what is really appalling is how few trump supporters can be reasoned with. Or can see reason at all. The ones that could... are no longer Trump supporters. This is literally the exact same thing Trump supporters say about Democrats, that they only reason with emotion and can't use facts or logic. >Please do keep in mind that while it may be "half the US population" (it's not), it's definitely not half the world population. An absolute majority of the world is looking at the USA in utter disgust. He's actually relatively popular in India (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/08/how-people-around-the-world-see-the-u-s-and-donald-trump-in-10-charts/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/08/how-people-...), and also in China (can't find a better source than https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Trump-popular-in-China https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Trump-popular-in-China, but if you know many mainland Chinese you could ask them), which make up a significant chunk of the global population.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  > This is literally the exact same thing Trump supporters say about Democrats In the US it's generally true on both sides, because your politics are ridiculously "team" centric. A lot of democrats can't be reasoned with, with regards to their party's policies. The major difference is that the Trump "camp" takes it to an absurd level of cognitive dissonance and at this point, either you know what I'm talking about already, or it's not worth my time and energy to explain it here (sorry).