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> People who it seems are too blinded by their hatred of others to notice their noses being cut off right in front of their own eyes... You mean the people so

> People who it seems are too blinded by their hatred of others to notice their noses being cut off right in front of their own eyes... You mean the people so blinded by hatred that they attack, burn and destroy the shops and residences of uninvolved parties? The people so blinded by hatred they can't even give the president credit for making peace between multiple middle eastern countries, and bringing back the soldiers that have been reponsible for thousands of innocent deaths there? The people who march down streets chanting "fuck you Jesus!"?

aero-glide 6y ago
I am new to Hackernews, is this site mainly for technology or is politics also allowed?
- logicchains 6y ago
  Maybe you should ask that to the person I was replying to, who literally just implied that around half US the population are blinded by hatred just because they have different political views to him.
  - 12xo 6y ago
    Math is hard. Half is literally 50%. Trump only has 1/5th of the population's vote last time, and this time? We'll see... The figures seem to show that 65% of the pop hates the man, so you might need to revisit statistics before you die on this battleground.
- deleted 6y ago
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- thsowers 6y ago
  Politics is generally considered off-topic unless it's "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon"[0] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dguaraglia 6y ago
  Mostly about startups really, with a big lean on technology. On occasion, there are political discussions but they tend to be heavily monitored to stop them becoming too bad.
12xo 6y ago
Try harder. And while you're trying, learn a little US history. The real stuff, not fauxnews talk show host interpretive stories designed to create controversy in order to sell more ads... Learning, with your eyes and ears wide open will help you tremendously with your life, your relationships and your business success.
- logicchains 6y ago
  >Try harder. And while you're trying, learn a little US history. The real stuff, not fauxnews talk show host interpretive stories designed to create controversy in order to sell more ads... Could you point me to the part in US history that shows rioting and destroying innocent people's lives and property is not an act of hatred?
  - mikem170 6y ago
    Off the top of my head: Boston tea party? (about taxation without representation, and related issues) I guess it is pretty typical that the establishment doesn't want to understand or acknowledge the real reasons for why rioters are upset, they'd rather smear them and keep things the way they are.
    - logicchains 6y ago
      >Boston tea party The people involved in that did not go around destroying the property of random uninvolved shopkeepers, it was specifically a rebellion against the English.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - mikem170 6y ago
        When the established rules leave some in a bad enough spot they will become frustrated enough to break the rules as best as they can. Sometimes all you get are pointless riots, sometimes you get music, sometimes you get a revolution. It depends on the situation. What is always true is that the establishment wants to maintain the current order. They don't want to understand or accommodate the malcontents. Instead they smear and continue to oppress them. In the case of the recent riots, there is a large segment of white america that want to see blacks kept down, and are happy for the police to do their dirty work. That's why there are protests, and that's also why there are riots - different people expressing their anger and frustration in their own ways.
robertakarobin 6y ago
Hmm, do we really want to open this conversation to making broad generalizations about groups based on small groups of extremists within it? Neither side wins in a conversation like that.
- logicchains 6y ago
  >Hmm, do we really want to open this conversation to making broad generalizations about groups based on small groups of extremists within it? Neither side wins in a conversation like that. I'd argue it's still a better outcome than if only one side is allowed to make broad generalizations about groups based on small groups of extremists within it, while the other side is silenced.
  - robertakarobin 6y ago
    I don't think either side is being silenced. Both sides equally like to accuse the other of: - Ignoring "facts and logic" - Suppressing free speech - Being hateful - Blindly following mainstream media - Being agents of foreign influence
    - logicchains 6y ago
      >I don't think either side is being silenced. Did you see the part where the person calling all Trump supporters full of hate was upvoted while the comments I made highlighting some hateful acts by non-Trump-supporters was heavily downvoted? Maybe not literal silencing, but seems people here would definitely rather only hear one side of the story.
      - robertakarobin 6y ago
        Or, perhaps, they just disagree with you? https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/ There is a tremendous difference between silencing, disagreeing with someone, and only listening to one side of the story.
  - dguaraglia 6y ago

aero-glide 6y ago

I am new to Hackernews, is this site mainly for technology or is politics also allowed?

logicchains 6y ago
Maybe you should ask that to the person I was replying to, who literally just implied that around half US the population are blinded by hatred just because they have different political views to him.
- 12xo 6y ago
  Math is hard. Half is literally 50%. Trump only has 1/5th of the population's vote last time, and this time? We'll see... The figures seem to show that 65% of the pop hates the man, so you might need to revisit statistics before you die on this battleground.
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thsowers 6y ago
Politics is generally considered off-topic unless it's "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon"[0] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dguaraglia 6y ago
Mostly about startups really, with a big lean on technology. On occasion, there are political discussions but they tend to be heavily monitored to stop them becoming too bad.

12xo 6y ago

Try harder. And while you're trying, learn a little US history. The real stuff, not fauxnews talk show host interpretive stories designed to create controversy in order to sell more ads... Learning, with your eyes and ears wide open will help you tremendously with your life, your relationships and your business success.

logicchains 6y ago
>Try harder. And while you're trying, learn a little US history. The real stuff, not fauxnews talk show host interpretive stories designed to create controversy in order to sell more ads... Could you point me to the part in US history that shows rioting and destroying innocent people's lives and property is not an act of hatred?
- mikem170 6y ago
  Off the top of my head: Boston tea party? (about taxation without representation, and related issues) I guess it is pretty typical that the establishment doesn't want to understand or acknowledge the real reasons for why rioters are upset, they'd rather smear them and keep things the way they are.
  - logicchains 6y ago
    >Boston tea party The people involved in that did not go around destroying the property of random uninvolved shopkeepers, it was specifically a rebellion against the English.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - mikem170 6y ago
      When the established rules leave some in a bad enough spot they will become frustrated enough to break the rules as best as they can. Sometimes all you get are pointless riots, sometimes you get music, sometimes you get a revolution. It depends on the situation. What is always true is that the establishment wants to maintain the current order. They don't want to understand or accommodate the malcontents. Instead they smear and continue to oppress them. In the case of the recent riots, there is a large segment of white america that want to see blacks kept down, and are happy for the police to do their dirty work. That's why there are protests, and that's also why there are riots - different people expressing their anger and frustration in their own ways.

robertakarobin 6y ago

Hmm, do we really want to open this conversation to making broad generalizations about groups based on small groups of extremists within it? Neither side wins in a conversation like that.

logicchains 6y ago
>Hmm, do we really want to open this conversation to making broad generalizations about groups based on small groups of extremists within it? Neither side wins in a conversation like that. I'd argue it's still a better outcome than if only one side is allowed to make broad generalizations about groups based on small groups of extremists within it, while the other side is silenced.
- robertakarobin 6y ago
  I don't think either side is being silenced. Both sides equally like to accuse the other of: - Ignoring "facts and logic" - Suppressing free speech - Being hateful - Blindly following mainstream media - Being agents of foreign influence
  - logicchains 6y ago
    >I don't think either side is being silenced. Did you see the part where the person calling all Trump supporters full of hate was upvoted while the comments I made highlighting some hateful acts by non-Trump-supporters was heavily downvoted? Maybe not literal silencing, but seems people here would definitely rather only hear one side of the story.
    - robertakarobin 6y ago
      Or, perhaps, they just disagree with you? https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/ There is a tremendous difference between silencing, disagreeing with someone, and only listening to one side of the story.
- dguaraglia 6y ago