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Crowdstrike admitted there was no actual evidence. Unfortunatley, if all you watch is mainstream corporate-backed news, you're getting a lot of propaganda with

Crowdstrike admitted there was no actual evidence. Unfortunatley, if all you watch is mainstream corporate-backed news, you're getting a lot of propaganda without realizing it. It's like religion, you think your news source is right while all the other ones are wrong (Fox news watchers don't think theirs is propaganda, while MSNBC/CNN viewers clearly see Fox News as propaganda. But MSNBC/CNN does as much propaganda as Fox News). Anyways, if you're interested in non-corporate news, where if you watch it over many months, thing start to become obvious to the point where you can't unsee it anymore, I recommend Jimmy Dore. He's a comedien. Kind of like a modern day court jester who can tell the truth. Of course, make your own decisions, he may be totally wrong as well, but I've found it to be an insightful source. Here is one on Crowdstrike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRoTGlQ4JMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRoTGlQ4JMA

ciarannolan 6y ago
So your strategy is to dismiss "mainstream corporate-backed news" and instead watch comedians on Youtube? Hard to take that seriously. My comment links to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, NBC News, the WSJ quoting Republican leadership, and CrowdStrike's own account. They're all collaborating on some elaborate lie and Jimmy Dore has dug up the truth? Give me a break. I don't know if you're mostly joking; if so, I'll admit it's over my head.
- sixQuarks 6y ago
  I'm not joking at all. I realize it sounds crazy and conspiratorial, but like I said, if you watch sources like Jimmy Dore over a period of months, it starts to become obvious. Jimmy Dore isn't the only one, there are lots of other great commentators such as Kyle Kulinski, Rising With The Hill's Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti (this one may be more your style, Krystal is left-leaning and comes from MSNBC and Saagar is right-leaning. They don't agree with everything but they cut through the BS pretty well). I would just say be open-minded and simply start watching one of these sources, it's good to be skeptical. You probably won't agree with them much in the beginning, but when you start seeing how things play out over months, it starts to make a lot more sense, then eventually it becomes obvious. Note: I am not a conspiracy person AT ALL! Having been captivated by Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World over 20 years ago, I'm actually a big skeptic. Huge James Randi fan, etc. So, don't think that I'm some conspiracy hack, quite the opposite.
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    I've watched the Krystal and Saagar show a few times. It's pretty good, if a little too predictable. I don't own a TV or watch cable news; I get most of my news from feeds like AP or Reuters, then try to decide for myself what I think before reading some commentary/analysis. It's a little worrying to hear things like "[...], if you watch sources like Jimmy Dore over a period of months, it starts to become obvious." This is exactly how conspiracy theories and other quackery work. People get fed up with the mainstream and seek out alternative narratives about how the world _really_ works, then over time cede so much factual ground that their frame of reference becomes broken. This is exactly how people get into flat earth, 9/11 was an inside job, etc. A slightly better "alternative" might be a news org like The Intercept or a writer like Matt Taibbi. Both are highly ideological but fairly constrained by the facts.
    - sixQuarks 6y ago
      OK, I see you're not just a corporate news junkie. Agree with your assessment of the Intercept / Matt Taibbi.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > So your strategy is to dismiss "mainstream corporate-backed news" and instead watch comedians on Youtube? Hard to take that seriously. Another symptom of the illness that ails us. It's the job of comedians to make us laugh, not to tell the truth. If a lie is funny enough, some comedians will tell it for that reason alone. >> Kind of like a modern day court jester who can tell the truth Responding to the GP: I think that's a misunderstanding of the myth of court jesters. It wasn't that they were the only ones that could tell the truth, it was that they were the only ones that could hint at uncomfortable truths to the king if they wrapped it up in enough humor. Other people could tell the truth amongst themselves, but they had to flatter the king because of his power.
paulgb 6y ago
His argument here seems to be that "if Russia hacked the DNC the NSA would have captured and stored all the packets and that would be evidence"? With all respect to the guy, he seems out of his technical depth here.
- sixQuarks 6y ago
  You're saying that William Binney is out of his technical depth here? The former NSA intelligence official who is the expert in intelligence analysis, and traffic analysis? Did you even watch the video? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_official) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_o...
  - paulgb 6y ago
    No, I'm saying the comedian guy is.
    - sixQuarks 6y ago
      Ok but the claim is from Binney, not jimmy dore.
nobody9999 6y ago
>Anyways, if you're interested in non-corporate news, where if you watch it over many months, thing start to become obvious to the point where you can't unsee it anymore, I recommend Jimmy Dore. Why take it from a comedian? There is a much more reliable source that knows all[0], sees all and reads a lot. More details[1]. #WWG1WGA [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/08/20/904237192/journalist-enters-the-world-of-qanon-it-s-almost-like-a-bad-spy-novel https://www.npr.org/2020/08/20/904237192/journalist-enters-t...
- sixQuarks 6y ago
  QAnon and these right-wing conspiracy stuff is the opposite of what I'm recommending. Any reasonable and logical person can quickly determine the fallacy of QAnon if you start looking into it. All I'm saying is, start watching the commentators I'm suggesting over a period of time, and you will see they are not conspiracy theorists.

ciarannolan 6y ago

So your strategy is to dismiss "mainstream corporate-backed news" and instead watch comedians on Youtube? Hard to take that seriously. My comment links to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, NBC News, the WSJ quoting Republican leadership, and CrowdStrike's own account. They're all collaborating on some elaborate lie and Jimmy Dore has dug up the truth? Give me a break. I don't know if you're mostly joking; if so, I'll admit it's over my head.

sixQuarks 6y ago
I'm not joking at all. I realize it sounds crazy and conspiratorial, but like I said, if you watch sources like Jimmy Dore over a period of months, it starts to become obvious. Jimmy Dore isn't the only one, there are lots of other great commentators such as Kyle Kulinski, Rising With The Hill's Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti (this one may be more your style, Krystal is left-leaning and comes from MSNBC and Saagar is right-leaning. They don't agree with everything but they cut through the BS pretty well). I would just say be open-minded and simply start watching one of these sources, it's good to be skeptical. You probably won't agree with them much in the beginning, but when you start seeing how things play out over months, it starts to make a lot more sense, then eventually it becomes obvious. Note: I am not a conspiracy person AT ALL! Having been captivated by Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World over 20 years ago, I'm actually a big skeptic. Huge James Randi fan, etc. So, don't think that I'm some conspiracy hack, quite the opposite.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  I've watched the Krystal and Saagar show a few times. It's pretty good, if a little too predictable. I don't own a TV or watch cable news; I get most of my news from feeds like AP or Reuters, then try to decide for myself what I think before reading some commentary/analysis. It's a little worrying to hear things like "[...], if you watch sources like Jimmy Dore over a period of months, it starts to become obvious." This is exactly how conspiracy theories and other quackery work. People get fed up with the mainstream and seek out alternative narratives about how the world _really_ works, then over time cede so much factual ground that their frame of reference becomes broken. This is exactly how people get into flat earth, 9/11 was an inside job, etc. A slightly better "alternative" might be a news org like The Intercept or a writer like Matt Taibbi. Both are highly ideological but fairly constrained by the facts.
  - sixQuarks 6y ago
    OK, I see you're not just a corporate news junkie. Agree with your assessment of the Intercept / Matt Taibbi.
ardy42 6y ago
> So your strategy is to dismiss "mainstream corporate-backed news" and instead watch comedians on Youtube? Hard to take that seriously. Another symptom of the illness that ails us. It's the job of comedians to make us laugh, not to tell the truth. If a lie is funny enough, some comedians will tell it for that reason alone. >> Kind of like a modern day court jester who can tell the truth Responding to the GP: I think that's a misunderstanding of the myth of court jesters. It wasn't that they were the only ones that could tell the truth, it was that they were the only ones that could hint at uncomfortable truths to the king if they wrapped it up in enough humor. Other people could tell the truth amongst themselves, but they had to flatter the king because of his power.

paulgb 6y ago

His argument here seems to be that "if Russia hacked the DNC the NSA would have captured and stored all the packets and that would be evidence"? With all respect to the guy, he seems out of his technical depth here.

sixQuarks 6y ago
You're saying that William Binney is out of his technical depth here? The former NSA intelligence official who is the expert in intelligence analysis, and traffic analysis? Did you even watch the video? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_official) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_o...
- paulgb 6y ago
  No, I'm saying the comedian guy is.
  - sixQuarks 6y ago
    Ok but the claim is from Binney, not jimmy dore.

nobody9999 6y ago

>Anyways, if you're interested in non-corporate news, where if you watch it over many months, thing start to become obvious to the point where you can't unsee it anymore, I recommend Jimmy Dore. Why take it from a comedian? There is a much more reliable source that knows all[0], sees all and reads a lot. More details[1]. #WWG1WGA [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/08/20/904237192/journalist-enters-the-world-of-qanon-it-s-almost-like-a-bad-spy-novel https://www.npr.org/2020/08/20/904237192/journalist-enters-t...

sixQuarks 6y ago
QAnon and these right-wing conspiracy stuff is the opposite of what I'm recommending. Any reasonable and logical person can quickly determine the fallacy of QAnon if you start looking into it. All I'm saying is, start watching the commentators I'm suggesting over a period of time, and you will see they are not conspiracy theorists.