Excellent stuff. One issue Murphey's slides mention only glancingly is the Javascript-as-visual-design-aid vs. Javascript-as-programming-medium conflict. If jQu

Excellent stuff. One issue Murphey's slides mention only glancingly is the Javascript-as-visual-design-aid vs. Javascript-as-programming-medium conflict. If jQuery is DOM-centric, well, a whole lot of JS jobs are "make it look professional using HTML, Javascript, Photoshop, and your trained artist's eye," so why shouldn't it be DOM-centric? That suggests those who fight the good fight from a software engineering perspective will not win with a frontal assault. C++ and Perl were both subject to years intense pressure to rethink their basic assumptions; both refused* and carried on with more-or-less the same group of folks who loved them warts-and-all. In other words, the evidence suggests that it will be easier to move forward by organizing and strengthening those who agree with Murphey (and Crockford, etc.) than by converting those who, to use her phrase, "don't know what they don't know" but can do amazing things with Photoshop. * I acknowledge there is an argument to be made that Perl 6 contradicts my assessment. My point is that Perl 6 has not brought a bunch of previous Perl critics into the fold.