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Apple Watch is a good example of a recent "blue ocean" innovation. FaceID is a recent usability innovation of the kind Apple has historically been known for. I

Apple Watch is a good example of a recent "blue ocean" innovation. FaceID is a recent usability innovation of the kind Apple has historically been known for. I think they're still doing good work.

Aeolos 6y ago
Microsoft release Windows Hello (Passport) with Windows 10 on July 2015.[1] Apple copied it as "FaceID" into their smartphone devices on November 2017.[2] A marketing innovation certainly, but calling this a usability innovation is quite a stretch. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#System_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#System_security [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_ID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_ID
- efraim 6y ago
  Android had trusted face unlock since 2014
  - omnimus 6y ago
    Worth noting is Apples face id is not just face recognition but depth scan for security. Many devices dont have the depth scan making it all pretty unsecure when you can unlock with someones photo. So Apples inmplementation is probably top.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Android actually did depth from movement for a while. Or at least many Android vendors.
  - bzb5 6y ago
    Android’s face unlock was so terrible that they removed it afterwards.
    - efraim 6y ago
      From a security standpoint yes, but but the usability wasn't that bad.
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- Joeri 6y ago
  This feature even existed on smartphones. I had a lumia 950 in 2015 and it used retina IR scanning to unlock. Worked pretty well, although the angle of detection was narrow.
- dpkonofa 6y ago
  That's not the same thing at all. Hello uses the webcam on your computer to try and recognize which user is signing in to the computer. FaceID uses a combination of camera, IR, and depth mapping to determine whether the user is a live person signing into the system and paying attention to the device. You could trick Windows Hello with a piece of paper with a picture printed on it.
efraim 6y ago
How is the apple watch a blue ocean innovation when smart watches existed before that? It might be better but it's not a new product, similar to how the ipod wasn't the first mp3 player. Is faceid a usability innovation over previous face recognition systems or is just more secure?
- minhazm 6y ago
  One can argue that almost nothing is a new product then. Everything is build upon previous work. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player but it was the best one out there and it changed the entirely industry. The same can be said about the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and pretty much all of Apple's products. They don't always come out with a feature first because they generally don't believe in releasing half baked products (Apple Maps withstanding). For example the Motorola Atrix was the first smart phone with a finger print scanner, but if you actually owned one of these you'll know that it was awful. It wasn't until Apple put Touch ID on the iPhone that people actually were interested in using finger print scanners, and the rest of the industry followed suit and copied Apple, not Motorola even though Motorola was first. Another example is app stores. Apple didn't invent app stores. But after the iPhone added an app store, it changed the entire industry because of how easy Apple made it for anyone to develop for iPhone.
  - efraim 6y ago
    Right, very few products are entirely new. That's especially true with apple devices which is why I didn't agree that the apple watch is a blue ocean innovation. They are good at taking ideas and making them better. I would argue that the app store became popular because the iphone was already popular due to being the newest product from apple that had built a following with the ipods and keynotes where the journalists where applauding everything Steve Jobs said. It's easy to forget how bad the iphone was when it was first released.
- BuckRogers 6y ago
  Apple is like Microsoft, they’re successful not because they were first, but because they were the first to get it right and then commercialize it successfully. That matters as much as the original idea. Not that either haven’t made original contributions, but that’s not why they’re successful.
sbr464 6y ago
Aaand then the COVID-19 mask situation happened. Having TouchID back would be much appreciated.

Apple Watch is a good example of a recent "blue ocean" innovation. FaceID is a recent usability innovation of the kind Apple has historically been known for. I think they're still doing good work.

Aeolos 6y ago

Microsoft release Windows Hello (Passport) with Windows 10 on July 2015.[1] Apple copied it as "FaceID" into their smartphone devices on November 2017.[2] A marketing innovation certainly, but calling this a usability innovation is quite a stretch. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#System_security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#System_security [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_ID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_ID

efraim 6y ago
Android had trusted face unlock since 2014
- omnimus 6y ago
  Worth noting is Apples face id is not just face recognition but depth scan for security. Many devices dont have the depth scan making it all pretty unsecure when you can unlock with someones photo. So Apples inmplementation is probably top.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Android actually did depth from movement for a while. Or at least many Android vendors.
- bzb5 6y ago
  Android’s face unlock was so terrible that they removed it afterwards.
  - efraim 6y ago
    From a security standpoint yes, but but the usability wasn't that bad.
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Joeri 6y ago
This feature even existed on smartphones. I had a lumia 950 in 2015 and it used retina IR scanning to unlock. Worked pretty well, although the angle of detection was narrow.
dpkonofa 6y ago
That's not the same thing at all. Hello uses the webcam on your computer to try and recognize which user is signing in to the computer. FaceID uses a combination of camera, IR, and depth mapping to determine whether the user is a live person signing into the system and paying attention to the device. You could trick Windows Hello with a piece of paper with a picture printed on it.

efraim 6y ago

How is the apple watch a blue ocean innovation when smart watches existed before that? It might be better but it's not a new product, similar to how the ipod wasn't the first mp3 player. Is faceid a usability innovation over previous face recognition systems or is just more secure?

minhazm 6y ago
One can argue that almost nothing is a new product then. Everything is build upon previous work. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player but it was the best one out there and it changed the entirely industry. The same can be said about the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and pretty much all of Apple's products. They don't always come out with a feature first because they generally don't believe in releasing half baked products (Apple Maps withstanding). For example the Motorola Atrix was the first smart phone with a finger print scanner, but if you actually owned one of these you'll know that it was awful. It wasn't until Apple put Touch ID on the iPhone that people actually were interested in using finger print scanners, and the rest of the industry followed suit and copied Apple, not Motorola even though Motorola was first. Another example is app stores. Apple didn't invent app stores. But after the iPhone added an app store, it changed the entire industry because of how easy Apple made it for anyone to develop for iPhone.
- efraim 6y ago
  Right, very few products are entirely new. That's especially true with apple devices which is why I didn't agree that the apple watch is a blue ocean innovation. They are good at taking ideas and making them better. I would argue that the app store became popular because the iphone was already popular due to being the newest product from apple that had built a following with the ipods and keynotes where the journalists where applauding everything Steve Jobs said. It's easy to forget how bad the iphone was when it was first released.
BuckRogers 6y ago
Apple is like Microsoft, they’re successful not because they were first, but because they were the first to get it right and then commercialize it successfully. That matters as much as the original idea. Not that either haven’t made original contributions, but that’s not why they’re successful.

sbr464 6y ago

Aaand then the COVID-19 mask situation happened. Having TouchID back would be much appreciated.