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The indictment from the DOJ with a list of the charges: http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf http://www.justice

The indictment from the DOJ with a list of the charges: http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/schein...

davepeck 16y ago
Fascinating. This contains some pretty damning charges, if true.
- nikcub 16y ago
  the UIEGA outlaws 'internet gambling' so the case will be based on if poker is considered gambling, which the supreme court has already found to not be the case when California attempted to pass laws to legalize card rooms back in the 70s A lot harder to avoid the money laundering charges, but they could argue that they had to process payments in that way because the banks wouldn't accept them because of an unjust UIEGA law
rorrr 16y ago
To be fair, most of these charges are probably true. What I'm not sure is how they can prosecute Canadian citizens living in Ireland or Canada.
- nopassrecover 16y ago
  Extradition.
  - rorrr 16y ago
    Over financial crimes? Does that ever happen?
    - nl 16y ago
      It does, especially over money laundering. In this case though it's likely fought pretty strongly since it's possible that what they did weren't offences in their home countries.
      - Stormbringer 16y ago
        Were you not paying attention the other day when the New Zealand govt passed US style copyright laws using "emergency powers"? Just because you're in NZ, AU, Can, Ireland or $Taxhaven, doesn't mean you're 'safe' from US interference. The tail does not wag the dog. And it's a bloody big dog. Arguably the only place safe from gross US interference is the EU, but mainly because as the world's largest government-by-committee they cannot find their arse with both hands and a map. And even then the reality is somewhat different, it isn't hard to play one side off against the other in their internal wrangles. ----- I would guess most of those places have been leaned on by the US to also ban online gaming.
        nl 16y ago
        I don't know how other countries work, but here in Australia the tax revenue on online gambling (and the media influence of certain investors in it - aka James Packer) makes banning pretty unlikely. Most countries are trying to unify copyright laws (good or bad). There is no international consensus on online gambling, though.

davepeck 16y ago

Fascinating. This contains some pretty damning charges, if true.

nikcub 16y ago
the UIEGA outlaws 'internet gambling' so the case will be based on if poker is considered gambling, which the supreme court has already found to not be the case when California attempted to pass laws to legalize card rooms back in the 70s A lot harder to avoid the money laundering charges, but they could argue that they had to process payments in that way because the banks wouldn't accept them because of an unjust UIEGA law

rorrr 16y ago

To be fair, most of these charges are probably true. What I'm not sure is how they can prosecute Canadian citizens living in Ireland or Canada.

nopassrecover 16y ago
Extradition.
- rorrr 16y ago
  Over financial crimes? Does that ever happen?
  - nl 16y ago
    It does, especially over money laundering. In this case though it's likely fought pretty strongly since it's possible that what they did weren't offences in their home countries.
    - Stormbringer 16y ago
      Were you not paying attention the other day when the New Zealand govt passed US style copyright laws using "emergency powers"? Just because you're in NZ, AU, Can, Ireland or $Taxhaven, doesn't mean you're 'safe' from US interference. The tail does not wag the dog. And it's a bloody big dog. Arguably the only place safe from gross US interference is the EU, but mainly because as the world's largest government-by-committee they cannot find their arse with both hands and a map. And even then the reality is somewhat different, it isn't hard to play one side off against the other in their internal wrangles. ----- I would guess most of those places have been leaned on by the US to also ban online gaming.
      - nl 16y ago
        I don't know how other countries work, but here in Australia the tax revenue on online gambling (and the media influence of certain investors in it - aka James Packer) makes banning pretty unlikely. Most countries are trying to unify copyright laws (good or bad). There is no international consensus on online gambling, though.