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Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform. Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating

Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform. Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them. But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in.

xupybd 6y ago
They have every right but they have an opportunity to avoid cancel culture and cash in on the most popular pod cast ever produced. Joe Rogan is popular with the masses, very popular. This tells me his views are probably mainstream. Mainstream enough to make a lot of money out of without worrying about backlash.
liability 6y ago
> But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in. I do not see a suggestion by anonu that the people they disagree with should be deprived of their freedom. To criticize people for saying something is not the same as saying they shouldn't have the right to say it. That would only be the case if somebody had an absolutely authoritarian mindset. It unnerves me how quick some are to conflate these positions, as though they view the world through an authoritarian lens and assume others must as well. "People shouldn't say mean things" and "People shouldn't have the right to say mean things" are not equivalent statements unless you are an authoritarian.
- mpalmer 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure threeseed is pointing out that anonu's comment is selective about the freedoms worthy of defense.
- schwartzworld 6y ago
  > "People shouldn't say mean things" and "People shouldn't have the right to say mean things" are not equivalent statements unless you are an authoritarian. yup, nothing disingenuous about this analysis.
  - liability 6y ago
    Sarcasm? If you disagree with what you quoted, perhaps you could explain why? Simply saying you disagree doesn't really move the conversation forward, does it? It seems quite obvious to me those are not equivalent statements, but if you think I'm wrong I'm willing to listen to why you think that, if you're willing to explain it.
    - schwartzworld 6y ago
      What's disingenuous is describing hate speech as "mean things". Have you ever actually heard of someone trying to make "saying mean things" illegal? Can you give an example, even if anecdotal?
StanislavPetrov 6y ago
>Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform. They do only as far as whatever the contract they signed with Rogan stipulates. Since some of his old shows are being censored, it seems that the contract allows for censorship, though to my knowledge the contract has not been made public yet. Seems likely we'll find out.
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bonesss 6y ago
> Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them. For sure... So why is Bill Cosby still on Spotify? And if transgender rights are our priority, why are endless numbers of outspoken anti-trans a-holes like Ted Nugent still on there? Or, hey, what about the incredible number of songs stuffed with the n-word, the b-word, the f-word, the r-word, the c-word, anti-trans sentiment, and detailed descriptions of lawbreaking and violence? I'm unsympathetic to shallow, hypocritical, and inconsistent morality plays.
anonu 6y ago
What about spotify users? Isnt that the most important cohort here? I want to use a platform that gives me the choice - and doesnt make the choice for me.

xupybd 6y ago

They have every right but they have an opportunity to avoid cancel culture and cash in on the most popular pod cast ever produced. Joe Rogan is popular with the masses, very popular. This tells me his views are probably mainstream. Mainstream enough to make a lot of money out of without worrying about backlash.

liability 6y ago

> But I guess that's not the kind of freedom you are interested in. I do not see a suggestion by anonu that the people they disagree with should be deprived of their freedom. To criticize people for saying something is not the same as saying they shouldn't have the right to say it. That would only be the case if somebody had an absolutely authoritarian mindset. It unnerves me how quick some are to conflate these positions, as though they view the world through an authoritarian lens and assume others must as well. "People shouldn't say mean things" and "People shouldn't have the right to say mean things" are not equivalent statements unless you are an authoritarian.

mpalmer 6y ago
I'm pretty sure threeseed is pointing out that anonu's comment is selective about the freedoms worthy of defense.
schwartzworld 6y ago
> "People shouldn't say mean things" and "People shouldn't have the right to say mean things" are not equivalent statements unless you are an authoritarian. yup, nothing disingenuous about this analysis.
- liability 6y ago
  Sarcasm? If you disagree with what you quoted, perhaps you could explain why? Simply saying you disagree doesn't really move the conversation forward, does it? It seems quite obvious to me those are not equivalent statements, but if you think I'm wrong I'm willing to listen to why you think that, if you're willing to explain it.
  - schwartzworld 6y ago
    What's disingenuous is describing hate speech as "mean things". Have you ever actually heard of someone trying to make "saying mean things" illegal? Can you give an example, even if anecdotal?

StanislavPetrov 6y ago

>Spotify has the right to choose what is on their platform. They do only as far as whatever the contract they signed with Rogan stipulates. Since some of his old shows are being censored, it seems that the contract allows for censorship, though to my knowledge the contract has not been made public yet. Seems likely we'll find out.

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bonesss 6y ago

> Spotify employees have the right to voice their concerns if the company they work for is alienating them. For sure... So why is Bill Cosby still on Spotify? And if transgender rights are our priority, why are endless numbers of outspoken anti-trans a-holes like Ted Nugent still on there? Or, hey, what about the incredible number of songs stuffed with the n-word, the b-word, the f-word, the r-word, the c-word, anti-trans sentiment, and detailed descriptions of lawbreaking and violence? I'm unsympathetic to shallow, hypocritical, and inconsistent morality plays.

anonu 6y ago

What about spotify users? Isnt that the most important cohort here? I want to use a platform that gives me the choice - and doesnt make the choice for me.