>makes it pretty damn clear that he thinks real change won't come through the electoral process. Yeah, and that's where I break with Zinn, (because it requires

>makes it pretty damn clear that he thinks real change won't come through the electoral process. Yeah, and that's where I break with Zinn, (because it requires a silly definition of "real" change) but you're wrong if you think he's advocating violent overthrow. He was in favor of civil disobedience. His contemporary Chomsky has been quite clear on this, especially recently, when he's even criticized leftists for defending violence at protests.