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I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up

by dx87 6y ago

I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.

dogma1138 6y ago
Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.
- dx87 6y ago
  Right, I personally don't find it extreme, but the Spotify employees seem to, even though there are already podcasts hosted by people who think LGBT people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
- amanzi 6y ago
  You're right, and what really grates me is how anyone who raises similar opinions/questions is instantly labelled transphobic and told to shut up. The Motherboard/Vice article that is referenced in the article (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-transphobic https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-...) clearly states as fact that Joe Rogan is transphobic, but for anyone willing to listen Rogan's opinions will know that just isn't true.
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    He wasn't labeled a transphobe for being interested in a discussion of professional sporting rules, transition, and hormones. He was labeled a transphobe for using phrases like "a man in a dress" and carelessly platforming people who use similar phrases. We can observe a lot of people successfully discussing and navigating complex issues like sporting regulations without being called transphobic because they don't resort to nasty phrases like Rogan does.
- sp332 6y ago
  I haven't seen any trans* advocates pushing for sexual reassignment for minors either, so I think that's a straw man to make them look bad. Edit: I should clarify that I'm looking for an example, if you have one.
  - np_tedious 6y ago
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-on-the-rise/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-o... And this is from 2012. I'm frankly not sure how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, you could argue it's better to transition before puberty solidifies the undesired sexual characteristics. On the other, certainly some of these kids would end up feeling OK fine with where nature brings them after puberty passes. It's a tough issue and I respect both viewpoints. More broadly, your reasoning here is rather silly. Just because you haven't noticed something yet doesn't mean it isn't a real thing.
    - sp332 6y ago
      I think the terms used in the article are confusing. The clarification is about halfway through: The drugs used by the clinics are approved for delaying puberty in kids who start maturing too soon. The drugs' effects are reversible, and Spack said they've caused no complications in his patients. The idea is to give these children time to mature emotionally and make sure they want to proceed with a permanent sex change. The sex reassignment doesn't happen until they are at least 16 (which is still earlier than I expected).
      - dogma1138 6y ago
        That’s the thing puberty blockers aren’t exactly reversible when used for any substantial duration and quite often cause developmental issues in general, these aren’t cases of premature puberty you can’t just pause it for a few years and expect things to go back.
        666lumberjack 6y ago
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  Presentation matters. Calling somebody a "man in a dress" is wildly transphobic. He didn't dispassionately discuss his opinions about transgender people. He resorted to nasty transphobic depictions.
pseudalopex 6y ago
Spotify effectively employs Rogan. It's just another platform for Shapiro.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  That's not the way distribution and licensing contracts work.
hnrodey 6y ago
While I disagree with Shapiro on his LGBT views, I'd hardly consider them extreme. His views on that topic are totally in line in traditional conservatism.

by dx87 6y ago

dogma1138 6y ago

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

dx87 6y ago
Right, I personally don't find it extreme, but the Spotify employees seem to, even though there are already podcasts hosted by people who think LGBT people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
amanzi 6y ago
You're right, and what really grates me is how anyone who raises similar opinions/questions is instantly labelled transphobic and told to shut up. The Motherboard/Vice article that is referenced in the article (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-transphobic https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-...) clearly states as fact that Joe Rogan is transphobic, but for anyone willing to listen Rogan's opinions will know that just isn't true.
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  He wasn't labeled a transphobe for being interested in a discussion of professional sporting rules, transition, and hormones. He was labeled a transphobe for using phrases like "a man in a dress" and carelessly platforming people who use similar phrases. We can observe a lot of people successfully discussing and navigating complex issues like sporting regulations without being called transphobic because they don't resort to nasty phrases like Rogan does.
sp332 6y ago
I haven't seen any trans* advocates pushing for sexual reassignment for minors either, so I think that's a straw man to make them look bad. Edit: I should clarify that I'm looking for an example, if you have one.
- np_tedious 6y ago
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-on-the-rise/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-o... And this is from 2012. I'm frankly not sure how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, you could argue it's better to transition before puberty solidifies the undesired sexual characteristics. On the other, certainly some of these kids would end up feeling OK fine with where nature brings them after puberty passes. It's a tough issue and I respect both viewpoints. More broadly, your reasoning here is rather silly. Just because you haven't noticed something yet doesn't mean it isn't a real thing.
  - sp332 6y ago
    I think the terms used in the article are confusing. The clarification is about halfway through: The drugs used by the clinics are approved for delaying puberty in kids who start maturing too soon. The drugs' effects are reversible, and Spack said they've caused no complications in his patients. The idea is to give these children time to mature emotionally and make sure they want to proceed with a permanent sex change. The sex reassignment doesn't happen until they are at least 16 (which is still earlier than I expected).
    - dogma1138 6y ago
      That’s the thing puberty blockers aren’t exactly reversible when used for any substantial duration and quite often cause developmental issues in general, these aren’t cases of premature puberty you can’t just pause it for a few years and expect things to go back.
      - 666lumberjack 6y ago
UncleMeat 6y ago
Presentation matters. Calling somebody a "man in a dress" is wildly transphobic. He didn't dispassionately discuss his opinions about transgender people. He resorted to nasty transphobic depictions.

pseudalopex 6y ago

Spotify effectively employs Rogan. It's just another platform for Shapiro.

LegitShady 6y ago
That's not the way distribution and licensing contracts work.

hnrodey 6y ago

While I disagree with Shapiro on his LGBT views, I'd hardly consider them extreme. His views on that topic are totally in line in traditional conservatism.