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>"Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" an

>"Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" another read. Identity politics. Something tells me if JRE wants to go on Spotify he will have to massively self-censor, which will ultimately make it easy for another grassroots JRE-alike to take his place and do what he originally did - have candid, open and honest discussions about whatever topics come up. Shitty, but I guess he's laughing to the bank if he goes through with it.

zepto 6y ago
My guess is that he signed a contract that says he doesn’t have to self-censor. The issue is going to be blowback within Spotify towards the management team that signed the deal.
- doopy1 6y ago
  I agree. He has a big enough following that he can launch his OWN platform to counteract censorship.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    He is currently essentially has that he is on every platform, and he isn’t monetized on the likes if YouTube he does his own silly ads.
    - StillBored 6y ago
      Which funny enough, IMHO, are some of the craziest things on his podcasts. I really want his assistant dude who looks up things on the computer at some point to be like "hey it says here that vitamin C hasn't been proven to prevent illness by all these studies"
mikece 6y ago
I don’t think Rogan needs Spotify’s money. If he continues as before with zero changes then it’s on Spotify to send the message to all potential partners wether they will be free to be themselves or if they will be censored. I’m sure Spotify’s shareholders will have a lot to say if editorial/censorship decisions reflect negatively on the bottom line. Side note: it’s amazing to me we’re even having the discussion of censorship about a self-described liberal. Imagine what Spotify’s staff would do if they tried to land one of the biggest conservative podcasters?
- troughway 6y ago
  >Imagine what Spotify’s staff would do if they tried to land one of the biggest conservative podcasters? Bawl their eyes out and chant protest mantras outside of their office building?
  - MSM 6y ago
    Seems like you're making this a little bit more political than you should be. If I work for a bank and I find out they have predatory lending (and I had the luxury of being in demand), I'd likely threaten to quit unless that was changed. We see similar things with companies all over the US and it's not usually seen as employees "bawling their eyes out and chanting mantras". Seems that because this particular instance involves some LGBTQ folks, you assume they're just walking around crying constantly... In reality this will happen the same way every work place dispute has happened for the last hundred years. Spotify can either tell their employees "sorry, we're keeping it as-is, you can turn your badge in if you are against this decision" or find their employees too valuable and find some middle ground with JRE.
    - troughway 6y ago
      That is a terrible analogy to apply here. "In reality", these disgruntled Spotify employees will take to social media with hashtags, cancelling and other trite bullshit in an effort to make the company look in the worst possible light. You'll hear accusations of sexual assault done by the upper management to everyone from the janitorial staff all the way to some senior employee. All kinds of shit will come out of the woodwork. You'll find out the company is toxic, misogynistic and that it is a horrible place for people to work. You'll hear how some employees go home crying every night because they feel assaulted. You're blind to the fact that anyone using the term "ally" in any of this is implicitly labeling anyone not with them an "enemy". This is warring language, and the whole thing is very tribal. But yes, lets go with predatory lending.
tootie 6y ago
The $100M comes from Spotify's broad appeal to sensible listeners of all walks of life. It's why all major media are terrified of scandal. There are niches for every type of opinion but there's a reason you make more money working for Spotify or Netflix or network TV than Infowars.
sp332 6y ago
It's not really identity politics when Rogan is the one calling out the identity groups. Maybe not all trans* people have the same opinions or identify strongly as a group, but when Rogan calls them a social contagion, claims they have an ideologically-driven agenda, and says "Maybe if you live with crazy bitches all the time, they fuckin' turn you into one?", it's not that weird that they would have a uniformly negative response.

zepto 6y ago

My guess is that he signed a contract that says he doesn’t have to self-censor. The issue is going to be blowback within Spotify towards the management team that signed the deal.

doopy1 6y ago
I agree. He has a big enough following that he can launch his OWN platform to counteract censorship.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  He is currently essentially has that he is on every platform, and he isn’t monetized on the likes if YouTube he does his own silly ads.
  - StillBored 6y ago
    Which funny enough, IMHO, are some of the craziest things on his podcasts. I really want his assistant dude who looks up things on the computer at some point to be like "hey it says here that vitamin C hasn't been proven to prevent illness by all these studies"

mikece 6y ago

I don’t think Rogan needs Spotify’s money. If he continues as before with zero changes then it’s on Spotify to send the message to all potential partners wether they will be free to be themselves or if they will be censored. I’m sure Spotify’s shareholders will have a lot to say if editorial/censorship decisions reflect negatively on the bottom line. Side note: it’s amazing to me we’re even having the discussion of censorship about a self-described liberal. Imagine what Spotify’s staff would do if they tried to land one of the biggest conservative podcasters?

troughway 6y ago
>Imagine what Spotify’s staff would do if they tried to land one of the biggest conservative podcasters? Bawl their eyes out and chant protest mantras outside of their office building?
- MSM 6y ago
  Seems like you're making this a little bit more political than you should be. If I work for a bank and I find out they have predatory lending (and I had the luxury of being in demand), I'd likely threaten to quit unless that was changed. We see similar things with companies all over the US and it's not usually seen as employees "bawling their eyes out and chanting mantras". Seems that because this particular instance involves some LGBTQ folks, you assume they're just walking around crying constantly... In reality this will happen the same way every work place dispute has happened for the last hundred years. Spotify can either tell their employees "sorry, we're keeping it as-is, you can turn your badge in if you are against this decision" or find their employees too valuable and find some middle ground with JRE.
  - troughway 6y ago
    That is a terrible analogy to apply here. "In reality", these disgruntled Spotify employees will take to social media with hashtags, cancelling and other trite bullshit in an effort to make the company look in the worst possible light. You'll hear accusations of sexual assault done by the upper management to everyone from the janitorial staff all the way to some senior employee. All kinds of shit will come out of the woodwork. You'll find out the company is toxic, misogynistic and that it is a horrible place for people to work. You'll hear how some employees go home crying every night because they feel assaulted. You're blind to the fact that anyone using the term "ally" in any of this is implicitly labeling anyone not with them an "enemy". This is warring language, and the whole thing is very tribal. But yes, lets go with predatory lending.

tootie 6y ago

The $100M comes from Spotify's broad appeal to sensible listeners of all walks of life. It's why all major media are terrified of scandal. There are niches for every type of opinion but there's a reason you make more money working for Spotify or Netflix or network TV than Infowars.

sp332 6y ago

It's not really identity politics when Rogan is the one calling out the identity groups. Maybe not all trans* people have the same opinions or identify strongly as a group, but when Rogan calls them a social contagion, claims they have an ideologically-driven agenda, and says "Maybe if you live with crazy bitches all the time, they fuckin' turn you into one?", it's not that weird that they would have a uniformly negative response.