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How did the patient die? How did the delay cause the death? There are tons of ransomware cases everyday we can look at. This has no info about the gang yet. It

How did the patient die? How did the delay cause the death? There are tons of ransomware cases everyday we can look at. This has no info about the gang yet. It does have the exploit (CVE-2019-19871) which is good, but no real IT analysis yet. So this is about the death. Can you run me through the process of the death so we can talk about how to stop this again. Could the IT routers going down cause a similar issue? Why could they not see the severity of the case and stop the re-routing? Was this tied to the failed computer system? Why was the nearest hospital so far away? Here's a map - https://www.google.com.bz/maps/search/Duesseldorf+hospitals/@51.2162571,6.7792857,13z/data=!3m1!4b1 https://www.google.com.bz/maps/search/Duesseldorf+hospitals/... Why is sending people to other hospitals such a big deal? Is this unusual? What's the normal kill rate so we can gauge the severity? I'm happy to recover the thread, you think it has value. I just need the bits filled in, Thanks.

vcxy 6y ago
The thread doesn't need recovered. If nothing in the story or thread interests you, that's totally fine. You aren't required to participate. The problem here is that you think other people should be similarly disinterested, and if we aren't, we're "frothing at the mouth". You have shifted the conversation under your comment from anything useful to merely making potential commenters defend themselves from your unprovoked rudeness (if it was provoked, your original comment would have been a reply rather than a top level comment I assume). I believe nefitty's point is that it is ok to be worried about more than one thing, and it appears that either you've missed that point or you disagree with it (I can't tell which). I think that point is a valid refutation of the comment. To be more specific, if you're like me and feel that multiple things can simultaneously be bad (even when they are related and comparable), "this isn't a big deal. We kill off patients all the time." is specifically where your comment becomes tone-deaf and even flat out incorrect. Many of us think death is a big deal, and it doesn't have to be a maximal element of some sort of partially ordered set of badness for us to think that.

vcxy 6y ago

The thread doesn't need recovered. If nothing in the story or thread interests you, that's totally fine. You aren't required to participate. The problem here is that you think other people should be similarly disinterested, and if we aren't, we're "frothing at the mouth". You have shifted the conversation under your comment from anything useful to merely making potential commenters defend themselves from your unprovoked rudeness (if it was provoked, your original comment would have been a reply rather than a top level comment I assume). I believe nefitty's point is that it is ok to be worried about more than one thing, and it appears that either you've missed that point or you disagree with it (I can't tell which). I think that point is a valid refutation of the comment. To be more specific, if you're like me and feel that multiple things can simultaneously be bad (even when they are related and comparable), "this isn't a big deal. We kill off patients all the time." is specifically where your comment becomes tone-deaf and even flat out incorrect. Many of us think death is a big deal, and it doesn't have to be a maximal element of some sort of partially ordered set of badness for us to think that.