3 ms·

It may not be what you think it was internally, but it's negative externalities are there for the world to see.

by ciarannolan 6y ago

baby 6y ago
What about the upsides?
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  Also there for the world to see. I just think on balance Facebook is a force for social destruction and individual harm on a scale never even imagined. I looked at your blog; you seem like a talented, driven person. Why not apply those gifts to something meaningful? Why spend your limited working years building tools for this horrible company?
  - baby 6y ago
    Well from my comments it should be obvious that we don’t agree :)
    - kelnos 6y ago
      The problem is that we can't take your agreement or disagreement at face value. The OP that prompted this entire thread admitted, front and center, that their $400k total comp number was very seductive. People do and believe all sorts of things when their fat salary incentivizes them to do so, even if they don't consciously realize it. What's that Upton Sinclair quote? Ah, yes: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." I recognize that it might not seem fair to take this position, but understand that it's an easy one to take when I look at FB's negative effects not just on the world, but on the lives of actual people I know. It seems unlikely to me that a disinterested party could truly weigh FB's positives and negatives and think the balance is positive. But you are far from unbiased, and I hope you can at least realize that.
      - baby 6y ago
        Oh yeah for sure, I am indeed biased and I recognize that. I still think that most people here fail to see how the app is used throughout the world in positive ways.
        kelnos 6y ago
        I don't think that's the case. Most replies I see absolutely acknowledge that FB has positive effects, just that the negative affects outweigh those positives (which is my position as well). And frankly I just don't think a current employee (who is relatively happy and in good standing) can be objective about this at all.
- cheeze 6y ago
  Heavily outwieghed by the downsides. Facebook has done a lot of good, but IMO there is no question that it's done more harm. And Zuckerberg is a crazy person. There are a lot of people I wouldn't want to ultimately report to, but Zuck is right next to Larry at this point.
  - baby 6y ago
    > there is no question that it's done more harm Not a great way to argument against someone who disagrees with that point

It may not be what you think it was internally, but it's negative externalities are there for the world to see.

baby 6y ago

What about the upsides?

ciarannolan 6y ago
Also there for the world to see. I just think on balance Facebook is a force for social destruction and individual harm on a scale never even imagined. I looked at your blog; you seem like a talented, driven person. Why not apply those gifts to something meaningful? Why spend your limited working years building tools for this horrible company?
- baby 6y ago
  Well from my comments it should be obvious that we don’t agree :)
  - kelnos 6y ago
    The problem is that we can't take your agreement or disagreement at face value. The OP that prompted this entire thread admitted, front and center, that their $400k total comp number was very seductive. People do and believe all sorts of things when their fat salary incentivizes them to do so, even if they don't consciously realize it. What's that Upton Sinclair quote? Ah, yes: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." I recognize that it might not seem fair to take this position, but understand that it's an easy one to take when I look at FB's negative effects not just on the world, but on the lives of actual people I know. It seems unlikely to me that a disinterested party could truly weigh FB's positives and negatives and think the balance is positive. But you are far from unbiased, and I hope you can at least realize that.
    - baby 6y ago
      Oh yeah for sure, I am indeed biased and I recognize that. I still think that most people here fail to see how the app is used throughout the world in positive ways.
      - kelnos 6y ago
        I don't think that's the case. Most replies I see absolutely acknowledge that FB has positive effects, just that the negative affects outweigh those positives (which is my position as well). And frankly I just don't think a current employee (who is relatively happy and in good standing) can be objective about this at all.
cheeze 6y ago
Heavily outwieghed by the downsides. Facebook has done a lot of good, but IMO there is no question that it's done more harm. And Zuckerberg is a crazy person. There are a lot of people I wouldn't want to ultimately report to, but Zuck is right next to Larry at this point.
- baby 6y ago
  > there is no question that it's done more harm Not a great way to argument against someone who disagrees with that point