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The implicit problem is you have to know the download is sketchy in order to report abuse. For your average consumer, that will be after they downloaded it. Ha

The implicit problem is you have to know the download is sketchy in order to report abuse. For your average consumer, that will be after they downloaded it. Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. And unfortunately, charging for a service is no guarantee that these issues will go away. I have seen fraud links from many b2b services presumably caused by credential misuse. If you operate a file sharing service, please be sure that there is a way to report a file either on the download page or on the contact us page. I'm the guy with too much time on his hands and actually follows up on reported phish emails and I've seen many services with no reporting mechanisms. Also, give your customers their own subdomain so I can selectively allow them in the palo alto.

the8472 6y ago
> Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. I just don't understand this kind of logic. I can send mail bombs with the trusted postal service and people will open them. Does anyone blame the postal service?
- colonelxc 6y ago
  usps does scan packages though...
- mulmen 6y ago
  > Does anyone blame the postal service? Yes? Do you think the USPS does nothing to detect bombs in the mail? You can’t earn trust by saying “that’s not my problem.”
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  - the8472 6y ago
    Ok, fine, they scan for bombs. So people shift to mailing sealed anthrax envelopes (which has happened). A public service is also going to be used by criminals, yet we do not expect the service to be shut down.
    - mulmen 6y ago
      > So people shift to mailing sealed anthrax envelopes (which has happened). Which they also scan for? The USPS does try to keep the mail safe, and generally does a good job. Mozilla cannot make the same guarantees about Send so they shut it down.
      - the8472 6y ago
        Ok, I googled a bit. According to this[0] they're running PCR tests on samples from the air around the mail processing. I.e. outside the mail. In a sufficiently sealed package/enveloped that wouldn't be detected. Well, and with encryption the files going through mozilla are always properly sealed and they can only rely on external indicators such as reports or IP blacklists. So they're doing no worse than USPS. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/06/postal-service-test-anthrax-detection-systems-14-sites https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/06/postal-s...
    - Spivak 6y ago
      The USPS literally detects anthrax too as a result of that happening.
    - sjy 6y ago
      Because it’s a public service funded by the government.
    - floatingatoll 6y ago
      We absolutely expect public utilities be shut down temporarily when danger exists. This happens with gas, fire, electric. In 2001, when USPS first encountered the 'sealed anthrax envelopes' problem, they shut down lots of post offices for quite some time. Your framing suggests that Firefox Send was a 'public utility', held to the same standard as a power company or a gas company, required to provide service to all who seek it. Firefox Send was not a 'public utility', though, and so it need not be temporary to shut it down in the face of attackers. Apparently the Firefox group decided to make it permanent. What if Gmail was shutdown without notice tomorrow? Would any lawsuit have standing if refunds were issued that same day? Would free users have any recourse whatsoever? It isn't a public utility, right?

the8472 6y ago

> Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. I just don't understand this kind of logic. I can send mail bombs with the trusted postal service and people will open them. Does anyone blame the postal service?

colonelxc 6y ago
usps does scan packages though...
mulmen 6y ago
> Does anyone blame the postal service? Yes? Do you think the USPS does nothing to detect bombs in the mail? You can’t earn trust by saying “that’s not my problem.”
- deleted 6y ago
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- the8472 6y ago
  Ok, fine, they scan for bombs. So people shift to mailing sealed anthrax envelopes (which has happened). A public service is also going to be used by criminals, yet we do not expect the service to be shut down.
  - mulmen 6y ago
    > So people shift to mailing sealed anthrax envelopes (which has happened). Which they also scan for? The USPS does try to keep the mail safe, and generally does a good job. Mozilla cannot make the same guarantees about Send so they shut it down.
    - the8472 6y ago
      Ok, I googled a bit. According to this[0] they're running PCR tests on samples from the air around the mail processing. I.e. outside the mail. In a sufficiently sealed package/enveloped that wouldn't be detected. Well, and with encryption the files going through mozilla are always properly sealed and they can only rely on external indicators such as reports or IP blacklists. So they're doing no worse than USPS. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/06/postal-service-test-anthrax-detection-systems-14-sites https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/06/postal-s...
  - Spivak 6y ago
    The USPS literally detects anthrax too as a result of that happening.
  - sjy 6y ago
    Because it’s a public service funded by the government.
  - floatingatoll 6y ago
    We absolutely expect public utilities be shut down temporarily when danger exists. This happens with gas, fire, electric. In 2001, when USPS first encountered the 'sealed anthrax envelopes' problem, they shut down lots of post offices for quite some time. Your framing suggests that Firefox Send was a 'public utility', held to the same standard as a power company or a gas company, required to provide service to all who seek it. Firefox Send was not a 'public utility', though, and so it need not be temporary to shut it down in the face of attackers. Apparently the Firefox group decided to make it permanent. What if Gmail was shutdown without notice tomorrow? Would any lawsuit have standing if refunds were issued that same day? Would free users have any recourse whatsoever? It isn't a public utility, right?