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Why couldn’t they make send work and make money while https://wetransfer.com/ https://wetransfer.com/ is flourishing?

rvba 6y ago
Because all those side projects are not made to make Firefox, or Mozilla foundation better, but to have nice greenfield projects that allow to boost CV and find a job elsewhere. All those side projects is the reason while Firefox is dying. They completely ignored their core product: they made a worse copy of Chrome that killed all extensions.
- codedokode 6y ago
  But old Firefox extension model (when an extension could patch any part of browser's code) did not guarantee that the extension would stay compatible forever. It was more quick and dirty hack rather than a proper standartised extension model.
  - rvba 6y ago
    Mozilla had 1000 well paid people, maybe they should have tried to figure this out. But instead of focusing on their core product, like 50 people dealt with Firefox and 950 did various side projects that nobody used. I get it, hard projects are hard. But it doesnt help that nobody is interested in Firefox development and most people focus on useless side projects used to boost their CV.
- jimmySixDOF 6y ago
  Those side projects or the various other 20% time random walk policies push the innovation envelope. It allows the garden approach where a hundred flowers grow, untended, weeds and all. It might be messy but it is supposed to be. It might be uneconomical in the short term sense and therefore first into to the lawnmower during a cash crunch; but it is supposed to be like that also. I personally have had great, highly individualized, product-market fit with a two year old beta android app out of Mozilla Indonesia of all places [1]. It provides on device unbelievable OCR search for my massive screenshot inventory unique to my personal workflow and it just works. I have no idea of its future in the new Mozilla but will keep using it until it dosen't work anymore and then find another way. [1] https://mozilla-next.com/eng/firefox_screenshotgo_beta#firstPage https://mozilla-next.com/eng/firefox_screenshotgo_beta#first...
kyleee 6y ago
I'll bet they got gunshy dealing with abuse and illegal uses of the service. A real shame as it's a no-brainer service to have in their software suite, and a great complement to the browser
- Spivak 6y ago
  True but I’m not sure if when I think about the various ways to send a file on my computer that my web browser really comes to mind. Super neat service, makes total sense in Mozilla’s portfolio but I don’t see it as a natural part of the browser.
  - kyleee 6y ago
    I feel like that might be true for a technical audience who may be more aware of alternative transfer avenues, but i think for regular users it's a frequent use case during the course of business, online learning, etc. especially with the rise of web apps
- jrnichols 6y ago
  especially when both sides of the political coin gunning for Section 230, I can see how they were concerned about it.

rvba 6y ago

Because all those side projects are not made to make Firefox, or Mozilla foundation better, but to have nice greenfield projects that allow to boost CV and find a job elsewhere. All those side projects is the reason while Firefox is dying. They completely ignored their core product: they made a worse copy of Chrome that killed all extensions.

codedokode 6y ago
But old Firefox extension model (when an extension could patch any part of browser's code) did not guarantee that the extension would stay compatible forever. It was more quick and dirty hack rather than a proper standartised extension model.
- rvba 6y ago
  Mozilla had 1000 well paid people, maybe they should have tried to figure this out. But instead of focusing on their core product, like 50 people dealt with Firefox and 950 did various side projects that nobody used. I get it, hard projects are hard. But it doesnt help that nobody is interested in Firefox development and most people focus on useless side projects used to boost their CV.
jimmySixDOF 6y ago
Those side projects or the various other 20% time random walk policies push the innovation envelope. It allows the garden approach where a hundred flowers grow, untended, weeds and all. It might be messy but it is supposed to be. It might be uneconomical in the short term sense and therefore first into to the lawnmower during a cash crunch; but it is supposed to be like that also. I personally have had great, highly individualized, product-market fit with a two year old beta android app out of Mozilla Indonesia of all places [1]. It provides on device unbelievable OCR search for my massive screenshot inventory unique to my personal workflow and it just works. I have no idea of its future in the new Mozilla but will keep using it until it dosen't work anymore and then find another way. [1] https://mozilla-next.com/eng/firefox_screenshotgo_beta#firstPage https://mozilla-next.com/eng/firefox_screenshotgo_beta#first...

kyleee 6y ago

I'll bet they got gunshy dealing with abuse and illegal uses of the service. A real shame as it's a no-brainer service to have in their software suite, and a great complement to the browser

Spivak 6y ago
True but I’m not sure if when I think about the various ways to send a file on my computer that my web browser really comes to mind. Super neat service, makes total sense in Mozilla’s portfolio but I don’t see it as a natural part of the browser.
- kyleee 6y ago
  I feel like that might be true for a technical audience who may be more aware of alternative transfer avenues, but i think for regular users it's a frequent use case during the course of business, online learning, etc. especially with the rise of web apps
jrnichols 6y ago
especially when both sides of the political coin gunning for Section 230, I can see how they were concerned about it.