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It's fun and was worth buying, but I'm pretty sure it's 4D. In the in game manual, it even says that there is an unused spacial dimension in the in-game ruleboo
by tripplyons 6y ago
It's fun and was worth buying, but I'm pretty sure it's 4D. In the in game manual, it even says that there is an unused spacial dimension in the in-game rulebook.
First, you have the 2 dimensions that pieces can move in in regular chess. The third dimension is the fact that pieces can move back in time a certain amount of boards depending on the move, creating a different timeline. The fourth dimension is how pieces can move into different timelines using one their movement dimensions.
- ecpottinger 6y agoThat looks 4D to me too.
- bitdizzy 6y agoWhy, the 5th dimension is your imagination of course!
- tantalor 6y agoMaybe the real 5th dimension is the friends we make along the way...
- leetcrew 6y agoisn't regular chess already a 3D game? you have two spacial dimensions (rank and file) and then wouldn't the sequence of turns constitute a temporal dimension? maybe the turns are conventionally ignored (and not counted), since all games have them?
- 8note 6y agoChess also has 3 spatial dimensions. The knight can jump over pieces
- leetcrew 6y agoor phase directly through them ;)
- Sebb767 6y agoIt's probably more 2,5D as jumping is the only "ability" able to use this and even then only temporary.
- dane-pgp 6y ago> jumping is the only "ability" I assume, then, that your definition of "jumping" includes whatever it is the rook and king are doing when the player castles.
- danaur 6y agoJumping is a human approximation for the move, chess in terms of gameplay has no jumping.
- bluedino 6y agoWhen castling, does the King jump over the Rook, or vice versa?
- dane-pgp 6y agoMaybe he digs a tunnel.
- tripplyons 6y agoGood question! The way I think of it, the time dimension isn't relevant because you can make moves because of it. In regular chess, you don't need to keep track of a 3-dimensional game when playing, only the most recent 2D board (and sometimes the one before it for en passant). For that reason, I consider it 2D.
- V-2 6y agoI get your point, but you also have to keep track of castling rights. If King or Rook have moved at any point (not necessarily on previous move), you can't castle even if they're in their starting position again.
- leetcrew 6y agoin addition to V-2's point about castling, there are some other rules in chess that depend on the previous state of the board: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fivefold_repetition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fivefold_repetition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty-move_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty-move_rule I guess you could argue these are league rules and not part of the fundamental game of chess.
- karmakaze 6y agoThe 'normal move' time dimension is the same as the move back n-boards in time just opposite sense and magnitude.
- adrianmonk 6y agoMaybe 5D is a joking one-up reference to a certain politician's supposed, metaphorical 4D abilities. (Or simply a desire to avoid 3D and 4D, which already have meanings.)
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- the8472 6y agoThe playing higher-dimensional version of a board game idea predates that politician. TOS had 3D chess. And there are various memes about some character archetypes metaphorically engaging in similar games. https://imgur.com/IfZiaNf https://imgur.com/IfZiaNf
- snuxoll 6y agoGotta say, a hikaru no go meme was not something I expected to see on HN...ever.
- shard 6y agoIs this an actual part of Hikaru no Go, or is it fan made? It doesn't seem to fit with the style of the story (although I've only seen the beginning few seasons of the animation).
- adrianmonk 6y ago> TOS had 3D chess. For anyone who didn't catch this, I think this means Star Trek (_T_he _O_riginal _S_eries). https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Three-dimensional_chess https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Three-dimensional_chess
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoIt has fourth and fifth dimension which are more novel but not third dimension which is like meh.
- ldiracdelta 6y agoWhy limit to 5 dimensions. Each piece type could be its own basis vector! Now we're in 10 dimensions! Wow!
- forgotpwd16 6y agoI'm waiting the n-dimensional variant.
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoIn a move you can increase a dimension.
- hateful 6y agoI think it's 5D because it just skips the "our" 3rd dimension. Just because Chess movements are in a 2D space, doesn't make the 3rd dimension temporal. You can move in 2 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal one (the 4th), but when you move through the temporal one you create a split in the 4th one... "5 - a split" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ca4miMMaCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ca4miMMaCE Of course I'm assuming you're all playing the game in the same universe I am! In other words - the game USES 4 dimensions, but is PLAYED in 5D.
- gibspaulding 6y agoOne could argue that traditional Chess still has 3 dimensions since knights wouldn't be able to "jump" in true 2-space.
- tomjakubowski 6y agoThe knight is just a little more polite than the other pieces and so can readily scoot past them.
- tutfbhuf 6y agoYou can even play chess without any physical or digital 2D or 3D board. Blindfold Chess is a thing. The chess board in my mind is 3D, but this may vary from person to person. Game position and moves can be stored in 1D, just text. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Game_Notation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Game_Notation
- munk-a 6y agoEeeh I'm not buying 1D - by the same logic all shapes can be stored in 1D by writing their descriptive formulae in a linear series of text.
- tutfbhuf 6y agoWell you cannot play football, because this requires physical activity. But I think, yes, for games that just require 1D information exchange and thought, that's all it needs. Any 2D, 3D, 4D representation of that 1D information is just optional e.g. for convenience reasons, because people like to move around physical 3D chess pieces instead of having to remember chess positions and playing blindfold.
- jrootabega 6y agoMaybe the fifth dimension is the release number
- lmilcin 6y agoIf you don't know why it is called 5D then you need to watch the video that best explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY Hint: 4D is spatial + time, 5D is spatial + all possible timelines.
- ImprobableTruth 6y ago... but chess doesn't have 3 spatial dimensions.
- deeteecee 6y agoyep, im pretty sure they're just calling it 3D because of playing on a physical chess board but we can obviously play it in 2D. if i was creating the game, i would've done the same because of all those jokes about playing chess in multiple dimensions
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