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Body shaming is not a valid method of making people get in shape, so I don't think there's anything wrong in the acceptance of people with more mass. We do have

by pm90 6y ago

Body shaming is not a valid method of making people get in shape, so I don't think there's anything wrong in the acceptance of people with more mass. We do have other ways to encourage people to lose weight though, such as sugar taxes, regulating processed foods' contents, investing in making fresh produce widely available etc. which can make a difference.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
People will argue this infringes on their freedom to make unhealthy life choices. I agree, you cannot force someone to make healthy life choices, only use pricing signals to encourage it. Tax them more to recoup the costs, and let them make the choices they would like (unhealthy foods, smoking, etc). I also agree that more regulation is required (States in Mexico intend to ban kids from purchasing junk food because childhood obesity there is skyrocketing [1]). [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912029399/we-had-to-take-action-states-in-mexico-move-to-ban-junk-food-sales-to-minors https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912029399/we-had-to-take-acti... (NPR: 'We Had To Take Action': States In Mexico Move To Ban Junk Food Sales To Minors)
- outside1234 6y ago
  Or said another way, there should be a standard rate for health insurance, and an increasingly discount for folks as they come closer to an ideal BMI.
swebs 6y ago
It is a very effective method. It's common to do in Japan, and they have one of the lowest obesity rates of any first world country. No overbearing government regulations necessary.
- pm90 6y ago
  Average Japanese diets are much healthier than American diets; there is less of a car culture, public transport is common. But do go on about fat shaming being effective.
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  - swebs 6y ago
    >Average Japanese diets are much healthier than American diets; there is less of a car culture, public transport is common. The same can be said about most western Europe countries, yet they still have obesity rates above 20% compared to 4% in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_r... >But do go on about fat shaming being effective. It looks like the most likely explanation here.
    - pm90 6y ago
      Nope, Western European cultures do not have a car culture. Stop promoting nonsense theories.
      - swebs 6y ago
        That's what I meant. Western European countries rely extensively on public transit and walking, much like Japan. Yet their obesity rate is several times higher than Japan's (though still lower than the USA).
- monkmartinez 6y ago
  Same for Colombians... I married one and her family regularly tells it like it is. Love it!
zionic 6y ago
>Body shaming is not a valid method of making people get in shape Why not? It works. Are you more concerned with someones feelings than their heart health? When they pass at a young age will their loved ones at their funeral think "wow, at least nobody ever hurt their feelings"?
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  Why not? It works. Have you got some evidence for that because it sounds dubious to me.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  No it doesn't work, as in there is actual scientific evidence that disproves that shaming is a valid way to modify behaviour towards better health. In fact it's likely making things worse (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/) The more people are exposed to weight bias and discrimination, the more likely they are to gain weight and become obese, even if they were thin to begin with. They’re also more likely to die from any cause, regardless of their body mass index (BMI). Fat shaming is also linked to depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, eating disorders and exercise avoidance, Alberga said. There’s emerging evidence that the severity of harm increases when people internalize weight bias and turn it on themselves. In one study, participants with high levels of internalization of weight-bias had three times greater odds of having metabolic syndrome than those with low levels, even after controlling for BMI and other risk factors
- thinkharderdev 6y ago
  Given what obese people deal with on a regular basis, your fat shaming is really unlikely to make much of a difference on the margin and is more likely to be counter-productive by making them more depressed. There is also a huge difference between sharing candid concerns about someone's weight when you already know them and can be somewhat compassionate about it and shaming a random person you don't know.
itsoktocry 6y ago
>Body shaming is not a valid method of making people get in shape There's a lot of middle ground between body shaming and telling people with a BMI of 40+ that they are "fine the way they are", I think.

by pm90 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago

People will argue this infringes on their freedom to make unhealthy life choices. I agree, you cannot force someone to make healthy life choices, only use pricing signals to encourage it. Tax them more to recoup the costs, and let them make the choices they would like (unhealthy foods, smoking, etc). I also agree that more regulation is required (States in Mexico intend to ban kids from purchasing junk food because childhood obesity there is skyrocketing [1]). [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912029399/we-had-to-take-action-states-in-mexico-move-to-ban-junk-food-sales-to-minors https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912029399/we-had-to-take-acti... (NPR: 'We Had To Take Action': States In Mexico Move To Ban Junk Food Sales To Minors)

outside1234 6y ago
Or said another way, there should be a standard rate for health insurance, and an increasingly discount for folks as they come closer to an ideal BMI.

swebs 6y ago

It is a very effective method. It's common to do in Japan, and they have one of the lowest obesity rates of any first world country. No overbearing government regulations necessary.

pm90 6y ago
Average Japanese diets are much healthier than American diets; there is less of a car culture, public transport is common. But do go on about fat shaming being effective.
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- swebs 6y ago
  >Average Japanese diets are much healthier than American diets; there is less of a car culture, public transport is common. The same can be said about most western Europe countries, yet they still have obesity rates above 20% compared to 4% in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_r... >But do go on about fat shaming being effective. It looks like the most likely explanation here.
  - pm90 6y ago
    Nope, Western European cultures do not have a car culture. Stop promoting nonsense theories.
    - swebs 6y ago
      That's what I meant. Western European countries rely extensively on public transit and walking, much like Japan. Yet their obesity rate is several times higher than Japan's (though still lower than the USA).
monkmartinez 6y ago
Same for Colombians... I married one and her family regularly tells it like it is. Love it!

zionic 6y ago

>Body shaming is not a valid method of making people get in shape Why not? It works. Are you more concerned with someones feelings than their heart health? When they pass at a young age will their loved ones at their funeral think "wow, at least nobody ever hurt their feelings"?

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
Why not? It works. Have you got some evidence for that because it sounds dubious to me.
Barrin92 6y ago
No it doesn't work, as in there is actual scientific evidence that disproves that shaming is a valid way to modify behaviour towards better health. In fact it's likely making things worse (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/) The more people are exposed to weight bias and discrimination, the more likely they are to gain weight and become obese, even if they were thin to begin with. They’re also more likely to die from any cause, regardless of their body mass index (BMI). Fat shaming is also linked to depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, eating disorders and exercise avoidance, Alberga said. There’s emerging evidence that the severity of harm increases when people internalize weight bias and turn it on themselves. In one study, participants with high levels of internalization of weight-bias had three times greater odds of having metabolic syndrome than those with low levels, even after controlling for BMI and other risk factors
thinkharderdev 6y ago
Given what obese people deal with on a regular basis, your fat shaming is really unlikely to make much of a difference on the margin and is more likely to be counter-productive by making them more depressed. There is also a huge difference between sharing candid concerns about someone's weight when you already know them and can be somewhat compassionate about it and shaming a random person you don't know.

itsoktocry 6y ago

>Body shaming is not a valid method of making people get in shape There's a lot of middle ground between body shaming and telling people with a BMI of 40+ that they are "fine the way they are", I think.