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> Notable among these are nursing homes, which had been a key source of spread. Because so many different people visit those? Nursing homes have been key sour

> Notable among these are nursing homes, which had been a key source of spread. Because so many different people visit those? Nursing homes have been key source of death, but not of spread. Key source of spread are e.g. Prostitutes. Prostitution is (used to be) legal in e.g. Germany (afaik, in Sweden they intent to curb Prostitution by fining the client), but has been (temporarily) banned during the epidemic. That, of course, doesn't stop the custom, just moves it underground where the health of the providers cannot be monitored. Alleviating the financial problems of the providers might help curb the custom (as has been attempted in Germany afaik), as well as scaring the clients (as the state and media are doing their darnedest of).

ineedasername 6y ago
Yes, nursing homes. Just look at the rates of health care workers in them getting sick. It spreads. Besides, I gave that as one single example that helps explain Sweden's infection trends. I wasn't trying to comprehensively enumerate the many steps Sweden has taken to address COVID-19 without strict shutdown. I gave an existence proof of the possibility that your claim of herd immunity isn't the only possible explanation. This is especially true given that other countries have not all had experiences in keeping with herd immunity. The fact is that we still know too little about this puzzle. But every time a new piece comes out, everyone rushed to jam that piece into their own pre-conceived ideas.
- guenthert 6y ago
  > I gave an existence proof of the possibility that your claim of herd immunity isn't the only possible explanation. My what? What else did you read into my text which I didn't write?
alkonaut 6y ago
> Because so many different people visit those? Yes, you can have temp workers that work in 5 facilities in a week, especially when staff starts falling ill and even more temp staff is nedded. The staff situation in Swedish elderly care was already a mess, and the pandemic just exposed some of the flaws.

ineedasername 6y ago

Yes, nursing homes. Just look at the rates of health care workers in them getting sick. It spreads. Besides, I gave that as one single example that helps explain Sweden's infection trends. I wasn't trying to comprehensively enumerate the many steps Sweden has taken to address COVID-19 without strict shutdown. I gave an existence proof of the possibility that your claim of herd immunity isn't the only possible explanation. This is especially true given that other countries have not all had experiences in keeping with herd immunity. The fact is that we still know too little about this puzzle. But every time a new piece comes out, everyone rushed to jam that piece into their own pre-conceived ideas.

guenthert 6y ago
> I gave an existence proof of the possibility that your claim of herd immunity isn't the only possible explanation. My what? What else did you read into my text which I didn't write?

alkonaut 6y ago

> Because so many different people visit those? Yes, you can have temp workers that work in 5 facilities in a week, especially when staff starts falling ill and even more temp staff is nedded. The staff situation in Swedish elderly care was already a mess, and the pandemic just exposed some of the flaws.