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This doesn't pan out when children have developed severe inflammatory responses, young adults have died, and not all people with comorbidities have had severe r
by Klinky 6y ago
This doesn't pan out when children have developed severe inflammatory responses, young adults have died, and not all people with comorbidities have had severe reactions. You can't just say it's fat and/or old people who are having severe symptoms or dying.
- jtbayly 6y agoIt mostly does. Those cases you mention are quite rare.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago>This doesn't pan out when children have developed severe inflammatory responses, young adults have died, and not all people with comorbidities have had severe reactions How many millions has covid infected thus far? It would be concerning if it hadn't killed a couple healthy kids and not killed a couple obese old people.
- Klinky 6y agoIt's not "a couple", there's been about 105 child deaths, and 4600 child hospitalizations. It's not as bad as adults, but you can't say little Johnny is magically immune, nor can you say that Brad the football star at the local college is either. I don't think it's currently clear why some apparently healthy people develop severe reactions.
- just-juan-post 6y agoDo you feel we should restrict billions from gathering with and hugging their family so that we can save 105 children? Can you help us understand the thinking you use to make that tradeoff?
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- Klinky 6y agoThe point of the 105 dead children was to show children can be severely affected and don't have magic immunity. 500K children have been diagnosed with COVID, with varying symptom levels. We have 200,000 dead overall in the USA, so it's not just a matter of 105 dead children justifying lockdown, it's all those other dead people you seem to have forgotten about. Also FYI, you can't hug your family member anymore once they're dead.
- neilwilson 6y agoWhat’s the median age of those that have sadly passed and the percentage with comorbidities?
- Klinky 6y agoDo you really mean "sadly" when trying to make the point that old people or people with pre-existing conditions are acceptable deaths?
- seattletech 6y agoHe is Just Asking Questions https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
- neilwilson 6y agoAm I. Which part of the question is leading? Which part is not Socratic?
- neilwilson 6y agoWell that would be an extremely unpleasant attempt at putting words in somebody's mouth that makes me wonder whether you are actually engaging honestly here.
- Klinky 6y agoDid you honestly not know the answer? What was your point?
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- michaelmrose 6y agoThis is emotional manipulation that we can all engage in. The 105 children are not the only victims. I have bad asthma and my wife is ill I don't appreciate you gathering and hugging your family and killing mine. Did that advance the discussion? Was it manipulation? No and you bet!
- thelean12 6y agoIt's small enough that it's not a concern and not something we should spend much effort worrying about. 105 is absolutely nothing compared to nearly 200k deaths in the US. It's also a HUGE distraction to the real concern: We don't fully understand how contagious children are.
- jaywalk 6y agoWe have to look at the bigger statistics. Some young children die of many things that the vast majority of them easily survive, but that doesn't mean we need to lock down every flu season.
- Klinky 6y agoFlu is harder to transmit and there is vaccine infrastructure available every year, despite that, it can still be very severe. Let's add a coronavirus with potentially greater severity than a flu, which has no vaccine, and has easier transmission, with a severe flu season this year and just watch the bodies pile up.
- just-juan-post 6y ago> with a severe flu season this year and just watch the bodies pile up. There is no evidence of this and you are continually creating worst-case scenarios. Please stop.
- Klinky 6y agoDo you know that this year will not be a difficult flu season? Do you know the ramifications of combined flu and COVID-19 infection? If the flu season is severe, then it could be quite catastrophic when combined with COVID-19. We should definitely be preparing for worst-case scenarios, and not downplaying potential severity because it's inconvenient.
- Gwypaas 6y agoInfluenza and Noro/Calicivirus (Winter vomiting disease) stats for Sweden this year. Social distancing and increased hygiene measures implemented mid March, about week 11, killed them off much earlier than usual. Influenza: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-uppfoljning/smittsamma-sjukdomar/veckorapporter-influensa/2019-2020/figur-1-antal-fall-per-vecka.png https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/globalassets/statistik-u... Calicivirus (Vinter vomiting disease): https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/0ad710ef377e4de6938e84b3a0ad7766/calicivirus-veckorapport-2020-v15_ny.pdf https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/0ad710ef37...
- hervature 6y agoGo here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Filter by 'Weekly Number of Deaths by Age' and you will see that it is literally the safest time ever for children and young adults because they are not allowed to go outside and do dumb stuff. Yes, some of them have died because of COVID, but the number is staggeringly small.
- Klinky 6y agoMaybe fewer have died of covid because of lockdown?
- username90 6y agoSweden didn't close schools, 1 person under 20 has died out of about 2 million.
- vkou 6y agoHow many people do people under 20 infect? How many of those secondary infections die? How many of them stay sick for months? There was a case right before schools opened in Georgia, I believe, of a kid who caught COVID at football practice. He's fine, but both of his parents died in a week. Fortunately, he now no longer needs to worry about COVID. Unfortunately, he's now an orphan.
- jtbayly 6y agoAnd he's still proof that "few children get sick" from this.
- Klinky 6y agoChildren get sick, few have got sick enough to have died from it.
- vkou 6y agoI did not realize that the sole metric that our society should optimize for, to the exclusion of all else is 'how many children get sick and die from COVID'. (It's a very convenient optimization metric, though, because it requires us to do quite literally nothing.)