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> What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Es

by kleiba 6y ago

> What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Especially the "seriously" is completely out of place since I never said what you claim I did, so why do get worked up over it? Where was I implying a conspiracy? Did you consider that there are other theories that are consistent with my original statement - for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. I agree that this "suppressing news" theory that you brought to the table is nonsense. But it's also not necessary if you've got a PR person who knows their job.

chki 6y ago
I didn't intend to confront you and I didn't really "get worked up" over this. Sorry if I was a bit blunt. (and sorry for potential language confusion, I'm not a native speaker) My issue with your comment was that you have this accusation (which you call "probable") that can be perfectly explained in another way ("New European Patent Law Court" is not going to be a top-selling front page headline) > for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. This is of course technically possible in some situations but considering the difficult negotiation and ratification process (just look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratificat...) of the UPC it's simply very far off from the reality. Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention. Edit: As pointed out by Zoobab the decision is no longer pending but has already been decided.
zoobab 6y ago
@chki "Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention." The decision is from 20th of March, where the Court only cancelled the ratification for lack of 2/3 majority for transferring judicial powers to international courts. Same problem seems to happen for ISDS courts in CETA in the Netherlands. As many points raised in the first complaint were not addressed by the Court, we will crowdfund soon a second constitutional complaint if the UPCA is given a greenlight tomorrow.

by kleiba 6y ago

chki 6y ago

I didn't intend to confront you and I didn't really "get worked up" over this. Sorry if I was a bit blunt. (and sorry for potential language confusion, I'm not a native speaker) My issue with your comment was that you have this accusation (which you call "probable") that can be perfectly explained in another way ("New European Patent Law Court" is not going to be a top-selling front page headline) > for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. This is of course technically possible in some situations but considering the difficult negotiation and ratification process (just look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratificat...) of the UPC it's simply very far off from the reality. Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention. Edit: As pointed out by Zoobab the decision is no longer pending but has already been decided.

zoobab 6y ago

@chki "Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention." The decision is from 20th of March, where the Court only cancelled the ratification for lack of 2/3 majority for transferring judicial powers to international courts. Same problem seems to happen for ISDS courts in CETA in the Netherlands. As many points raised in the first complaint were not addressed by the Court, we will crowdfund soon a second constitutional complaint if the UPCA is given a greenlight tomorrow.