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I haven’t heard about this Unitary Patent Court. Is this a new judicial body in the EU? Where does it’s position rank compared to other EU judicial bodies? The

I haven’t heard about this Unitary Patent Court. Is this a new judicial body in the EU? Where does it’s position rank compared to other EU judicial bodies? The article seems to be written for those (legislators) who would already know the background

kleiba 6y ago
> I haven’t heard about this Unitary Patent Court. That's probably intentional.
- chki 6y ago
  What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Isn't it _a lot_ more probable that this is simply a highly technical issue that doesn't get a lot of attention? As somebody who is somewhat invested into EU law but not into patent law I have already heard about it by the way. I'm always very skeptical about this sort of vague accusation, implying that there is some sort of conspiracy.
  - Ygg2 6y ago
    > What do you mean by that? Well. The less you know about how and what bureaucracy does, the less can you ask yourself why does it exist in the first place. And the more bureaucrats can keep their pointless jobs. It's not so much conspiracy as protection by obfuscation. I bet you don't know why you need even half of documents in your last encounter with it.
    - chki 6y ago
      > I bet you don't know why you need even half of documents in your last encounter with it. I guess you loose that bet.
      - Ygg2 6y ago
        I guess. I still wonder about triplicate of that form despite having those info on my ID card.
  - trumpeta 6y ago
    I don't think there is a conspiracy to suppress the information, but on the other hand I'd say EU has a long way to go in terms of PR and informing citizens. Somehow all these things always surface at 11:55
    - Quanttek 6y ago
      Tbh, the EU can only do so much: there are plenty of press releases, press conferences, and social media posts about their legislative proposals. However, the gatekeepers of information are different actors: Mostly the media or whoever you follow on social media. And, not without reason, such a technical debate hasn't really engaged interest in the general public. If you are actually interested in the topic or in EU law, you will likely heard about it because the gatekeepers in that field believed it might interest you
  - kleiba 6y ago
    > What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Especially the "seriously" is completely out of place since I never said what you claim I did, so why do get worked up over it? Where was I implying a conspiracy? Did you consider that there are other theories that are consistent with my original statement - for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. I agree that this "suppressing news" theory that you brought to the table is nonsense. But it's also not necessary if you've got a PR person who knows their job.
    - chki 6y ago
      I didn't intend to confront you and I didn't really "get worked up" over this. Sorry if I was a bit blunt. (and sorry for potential language confusion, I'm not a native speaker) My issue with your comment was that you have this accusation (which you call "probable") that can be perfectly explained in another way ("New European Patent Law Court" is not going to be a top-selling front page headline) > for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. This is of course technically possible in some situations but considering the difficult negotiation and ratification process (just look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratificat...) of the UPC it's simply very far off from the reality. Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention. Edit: As pointed out by Zoobab the decision is no longer pending but has already been decided.
    - zoobab 6y ago
      @chki "Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention." The decision is from 20th of March, where the Court only cancelled the ratification for lack of 2/3 majority for transferring judicial powers to international courts. Same problem seems to happen for ISDS courts in CETA in the Netherlands. As many points raised in the first complaint were not addressed by the Court, we will crowdfund soon a second constitutional complaint if the UPCA is given a greenlight tomorrow.
zoobab 6y ago
"a new judicial body in the EU" Not really, more like an international court with the blessing of the EU. Cameron forced a deal in 2012 to not have the CJEU as a legislator in patent law, and Merkel and Hollande and other countries bowed to his demand in order to have a deal.

kleiba 6y ago

> I haven’t heard about this Unitary Patent Court. That's probably intentional.

chki 6y ago
What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Isn't it _a lot_ more probable that this is simply a highly technical issue that doesn't get a lot of attention? As somebody who is somewhat invested into EU law but not into patent law I have already heard about it by the way. I'm always very skeptical about this sort of vague accusation, implying that there is some sort of conspiracy.
- Ygg2 6y ago
  > What do you mean by that? Well. The less you know about how and what bureaucracy does, the less can you ask yourself why does it exist in the first place. And the more bureaucrats can keep their pointless jobs. It's not so much conspiracy as protection by obfuscation. I bet you don't know why you need even half of documents in your last encounter with it.
  - chki 6y ago
    > I bet you don't know why you need even half of documents in your last encounter with it. I guess you loose that bet.
    - Ygg2 6y ago
      I guess. I still wonder about triplicate of that form despite having those info on my ID card.
- trumpeta 6y ago
  I don't think there is a conspiracy to suppress the information, but on the other hand I'd say EU has a long way to go in terms of PR and informing citizens. Somehow all these things always surface at 11:55
  - Quanttek 6y ago
    Tbh, the EU can only do so much: there are plenty of press releases, press conferences, and social media posts about their legislative proposals. However, the gatekeepers of information are different actors: Mostly the media or whoever you follow on social media. And, not without reason, such a technical debate hasn't really engaged interest in the general public. If you are actually interested in the topic or in EU law, you will likely heard about it because the gatekeepers in that field believed it might interest you
- kleiba 6y ago
  > What do you mean by that? Do you seriously think that somebody (who exactly?) is suppressing news about this court? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Especially the "seriously" is completely out of place since I never said what you claim I did, so why do get worked up over it? Where was I implying a conspiracy? Did you consider that there are other theories that are consistent with my original statement - for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. I agree that this "suppressing news" theory that you brought to the table is nonsense. But it's also not necessary if you've got a PR person who knows their job.
  - chki 6y ago
    I didn't intend to confront you and I didn't really "get worked up" over this. Sorry if I was a bit blunt. (and sorry for potential language confusion, I'm not a native speaker) My issue with your comment was that you have this accusation (which you call "probable") that can be perfectly explained in another way ("New European Patent Law Court" is not going to be a top-selling front page headline) > for instance, it's completely conceivable that a skilled legislation publishes information about a proposed law of they know it's likely to create a backlash in (some parts of) the media in a more subdued way, specifically in order to lower the odds for getting said negative press. This is of course technically possible in some situations but considering the difficult negotiation and ratification process (just look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court#Ratificat...) of the UPC it's simply very far off from the reality. Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention. Edit: As pointed out by Zoobab the decision is no longer pending but has already been decided.
  - zoobab 6y ago
    @chki "Especially in Germany where there is an important pending decision by the Constitutional Court on this issue which did actually get a lot of media attention." The decision is from 20th of March, where the Court only cancelled the ratification for lack of 2/3 majority for transferring judicial powers to international courts. Same problem seems to happen for ISDS courts in CETA in the Netherlands. As many points raised in the first complaint were not addressed by the Court, we will crowdfund soon a second constitutional complaint if the UPCA is given a greenlight tomorrow.

zoobab 6y ago

"a new judicial body in the EU" Not really, more like an international court with the blessing of the EU. Cameron forced a deal in 2012 to not have the CJEU as a legislator in patent law, and Merkel and Hollande and other countries bowed to his demand in order to have a deal.