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Here's an example of his conspiracy-like thinking from last year: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/bad-faith-negotiation/ https://www.craigmurray

Here's an example of his conspiracy-like thinking from last year: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/bad-faith-negotiation/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/bad-faith-ne... He claimed to have inside information from the Foreign Office, that the government was negotiating an agreement with the EU with the intention of breaking it later. I don't think anyone else reported this at the time. A little under a year later, it seems that what he reported was true.

matthewmacleod 6y ago
A little under a year later, it seems that what he reported was true. No it doesn't; it merely seems that the outcome of the conspiracy he fabricated last year is similar to the possible outcome of something that might happen in the future. Broken clocks etc.
- mjw1007 6y ago
  Murray often claims to be reporting something he was told by an insider at the Foreign Office. I'm not sure whether in general to believe him. In this case I'm convinced, from what we know now, that he was telling the truth: that the government was planning, at the time the backstop was negotiated, for how to break it, and that this was unusual enough for Foreign Office legal advisers to be distinctly unhappy about it. I don't think this demonstrates that every time he claims he's reporting insider information he's telling the truth. But it does weigh in the direction of treating him as a truth-teller. It's the nearest thing we can get in this sort of situation to gaining confidence by verifying a theory's prediction experimentally.
nabla9 6y ago
Just like the the boy who cried wolf, even if Murray had credible source inside FO, all his other writing undermine any real information he had.
mhh__ 6y ago
I'm not seeing it, at least just from that. Can you point out the connection between exactly what Murray writes and the "limited and specific way" debacle? Boris Johnson to skirt around law and violate treaty isn't exactly out of character.
- mjw1007 6y ago
  Note the article says which bit of the treaty it's talking about (the Northern Ireland protocol). If he'd written "I've heard from legal advisers that they've been asked to provide a justification for breaking part of a treaty but they don't want me to say which", I wouldn't put much weight on that turning out to be true.

matthewmacleod 6y ago

A little under a year later, it seems that what he reported was true. No it doesn't; it merely seems that the outcome of the conspiracy he fabricated last year is similar to the possible outcome of something that might happen in the future. Broken clocks etc.

mjw1007 6y ago
Murray often claims to be reporting something he was told by an insider at the Foreign Office. I'm not sure whether in general to believe him. In this case I'm convinced, from what we know now, that he was telling the truth: that the government was planning, at the time the backstop was negotiated, for how to break it, and that this was unusual enough for Foreign Office legal advisers to be distinctly unhappy about it. I don't think this demonstrates that every time he claims he's reporting insider information he's telling the truth. But it does weigh in the direction of treating him as a truth-teller. It's the nearest thing we can get in this sort of situation to gaining confidence by verifying a theory's prediction experimentally.

nabla9 6y ago

Just like the the boy who cried wolf, even if Murray had credible source inside FO, all his other writing undermine any real information he had.

mhh__ 6y ago

I'm not seeing it, at least just from that. Can you point out the connection between exactly what Murray writes and the "limited and specific way" debacle? Boris Johnson to skirt around law and violate treaty isn't exactly out of character.

mjw1007 6y ago
Note the article says which bit of the treaty it's talking about (the Northern Ireland protocol). If he'd written "I've heard from legal advisers that they've been asked to provide a justification for breaking part of a treaty but they don't want me to say which", I wouldn't put much weight on that turning out to be true.