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Maybe the issue isn't with the default notification behaviour in a teleconference program, but with the expectation that someone should always be instantly acce

by taneq 6y ago

Maybe the issue isn't with the default notification behaviour in a teleconference program, but with the expectation that someone should always be instantly accessible via zoom/slack/what have you during work hours. (I mean, yeah, the meeting was presumably scheduled but the manager could have phoned or texed.)

tasogare 6y ago
In some places they even push the expectation of being accessible immediately at any time ("being on call"), and it’s not paid hours. Crazy times we live in.
- bosie 6y ago
  who doesn't pay "on call" though?
  - draugadrotten 6y ago
    Management is never paid for being on call in my experience. It's just expected that you can be called any time for any reason.
  - ohyes 6y ago
    I've never been paid extra for 'on call', always been salaried and had it added as an expectation after the fact. I'll admit I've quit over it.
  - mrguyorama 6y ago
    I am an underpaid (for my area, experience, title, coworkers, etc) software developer who has occasional on call shifts and once a year holiday shifts with no extra pay or benefits
CGamesPlay 6y ago
Your argument seems to be that he should be instantly available on his telephone but not on zoom or slack? Seems like you're just shuffling the problem around.
- wheybags 6y ago
  I think that's pretty reasonable. Most people at the end of the day are available whenever via a phone call. But if you use it for something trivial, they will be pissed. Seems like a decent system to me.
- taneq 6y ago
  In this age of mobile phones, a phone call is the gold standard for realtime business communication. It's pretty reasonable to expect someone to answer their phone if their direct supervisor calls during work hours. Text messages are more fuzzy with the implied expectation of response time. Online messages (IMO anyway) shouldn't be considered a realtime channel.
rbanffy 6y ago
It was entirely my fault to be over reliant on notifications.

by taneq 6y ago

tasogare 6y ago

In some places they even push the expectation of being accessible immediately at any time ("being on call"), and it’s not paid hours. Crazy times we live in.

bosie 6y ago
who doesn't pay "on call" though?
- draugadrotten 6y ago
  Management is never paid for being on call in my experience. It's just expected that you can be called any time for any reason.
- ohyes 6y ago
  I've never been paid extra for 'on call', always been salaried and had it added as an expectation after the fact. I'll admit I've quit over it.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  I am an underpaid (for my area, experience, title, coworkers, etc) software developer who has occasional on call shifts and once a year holiday shifts with no extra pay or benefits

CGamesPlay 6y ago

Your argument seems to be that he should be instantly available on his telephone but not on zoom or slack? Seems like you're just shuffling the problem around.

wheybags 6y ago
I think that's pretty reasonable. Most people at the end of the day are available whenever via a phone call. But if you use it for something trivial, they will be pissed. Seems like a decent system to me.
taneq 6y ago
In this age of mobile phones, a phone call is the gold standard for realtime business communication. It's pretty reasonable to expect someone to answer their phone if their direct supervisor calls during work hours. Text messages are more fuzzy with the implied expectation of response time. Online messages (IMO anyway) shouldn't be considered a realtime channel.

rbanffy 6y ago

It was entirely my fault to be over reliant on notifications.