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Interestingly this is not the first time that the World trade centre was missing/removed from a Spiderman related media. The early rendition of Spiderman at th

by Zenst 6y ago

Interestingly this is not the first time that the World trade centre was missing/removed from a Spiderman related media. The early rendition of Spiderman at the start of the century had the twin towers in and prior to release 9/11 happened, so a whole scene was removed. Which as you can see for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozz8uxW733Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozz8uxW733Q was no small budget scene either. On a side note - is it Spiderman or Spider-man? I grew up with the believe that it was the former.

2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
It’s hyphenated. Just look at the comic cover.
- sjwright 6y ago
  Correct. It’s confusing because most other man-suffixed superheroes do not have hyphens (e.g. Superman) or the hyphen was removed prior to hitting mainstream culture (e.g. Batman).
  - dhosek 6y ago
    Marvel tends to use hyphens or spaces (Spider-Man, Ant-Man, Iron Man) while DC usually does compound words (Superman, Batman, Aquaman, although Wonder Woman). I could find no compound wordman superheroes in the lists of Marvel superheroes I found, but there are some -man and (space)man characters in the DC list.
    - Breza 6y ago
      This kind of comment is what keeps me coming back to Hacker News
vanderZwan 6y ago
> On a side note - is it Spiderman or Spider-man? I grew up with the believe that it was the former. Well, there's a Spider-man related subreddit called "respect the hyphen" so...
- Zenst 6y ago
  Interesting, does seem it's always kinda been hyphenated, yet the aspect that there is a discussion group over it does somewhat show my confusion is not alone, mad but will admit - it is hyphenated as the other comment says - check the comics - it's hyphenated, though a few with it upon two lines and maybe the source of confusion.
- tyingq 6y ago
  If you do a Google image search for "old spider man comic book", you will see the hyphen on most of the covers. A few of them have "Spider" on one line followed by a new line underneath with "Man".
- Igelau 6y ago
  And it's "base ball" dammit.
phkahler 6y ago
Wow that was prominent. Yeah they had to remove that or people would have had all kinds of reactions to it at the time.
- siliconpotato 6y ago
  Almost as prominent as the Nokia phone product placement..
moomin 6y ago
Feels like the scene doesn't quite work in the finished movie anyway, but yeah it 100% needed to go. Sam Raimi is a very accomplished director so you don't notice this unless you look, but the CGI buildings in the movie are actually _much worse_ than the ones in the recent PS4 game. It highlights the adage that there's no such thing as bad CGI, just bad filmmaking. (On the other hand, my daughter pointed out to me that whenever anything exciting happens, every woman screams and no men do and it is impossible to unsee once you notice it.)
- rangibaby 6y ago
  > Sam Raimi is a very accomplished director so you don't notice this unless you look, but the CGI buildings in the movie are actually _much worse_ than the ones in the recent PS4 game. It highlights the adage that there's no such thing as bad CGI, just bad filmmaking. I think the better question to ask is: What CGI effects from 20 years ago can't be achieved in real time today?
  - snowwrestler 6y ago
    Finding Nemo was almost 20 years ago and as I recall, Pixar did a lot of work to reproduce the look of marine animals that have translucent layers to their skin. Seems like a level of detail that real-time engines might not bother with. But yeah, the Mandalorian used real-time rendering in-camera for a ton of its scenes. They fudged it a bit by using wide apertures so the backgrounds were a bit soft, but it obviously worked very well.
    - rangibaby 6y ago
      Human skin is translucent too. Real time Sub-surface scattering has existed for years and is now to making it into games. There's an excellent writeup here: https://therealmjp.github.io/posts/sss-intro/ https://therealmjp.github.io/posts/sss-intro/ Realtime reflections seem to be on their way too: https://youtu.be/pNmhJx8yPLk https://youtu.be/pNmhJx8yPLk
Igelau 6y ago
I've crossed the semantic saturation threshold thinking about it, and now Spiderman looks like a surname. J.T. Spiderman & Sons, Accounting Susie Spiderman, Age 5 Arnold Spiderman III, MD
- codernyc16 6y ago
  Wow, so Phoebe had it right all along... https://youtu.be/KyaiJc3ESAI https://youtu.be/KyaiJc3ESAI

by Zenst 6y ago

2muchcoffeeman 6y ago

It’s hyphenated. Just look at the comic cover.

sjwright 6y ago
Correct. It’s confusing because most other man-suffixed superheroes do not have hyphens (e.g. Superman) or the hyphen was removed prior to hitting mainstream culture (e.g. Batman).
- dhosek 6y ago
  Marvel tends to use hyphens or spaces (Spider-Man, Ant-Man, Iron Man) while DC usually does compound words (Superman, Batman, Aquaman, although Wonder Woman). I could find no compound wordman superheroes in the lists of Marvel superheroes I found, but there are some -man and (space)man characters in the DC list.
  - Breza 6y ago
    This kind of comment is what keeps me coming back to Hacker News

vanderZwan 6y ago

> On a side note - is it Spiderman or Spider-man? I grew up with the believe that it was the former. Well, there's a Spider-man related subreddit called "respect the hyphen" so...

Zenst 6y ago
Interesting, does seem it's always kinda been hyphenated, yet the aspect that there is a discussion group over it does somewhat show my confusion is not alone, mad but will admit - it is hyphenated as the other comment says - check the comics - it's hyphenated, though a few with it upon two lines and maybe the source of confusion.
tyingq 6y ago
If you do a Google image search for "old spider man comic book", you will see the hyphen on most of the covers. A few of them have "Spider" on one line followed by a new line underneath with "Man".
Igelau 6y ago
And it's "base ball" dammit.

phkahler 6y ago

Wow that was prominent. Yeah they had to remove that or people would have had all kinds of reactions to it at the time.

siliconpotato 6y ago
Almost as prominent as the Nokia phone product placement..

moomin 6y ago

Feels like the scene doesn't quite work in the finished movie anyway, but yeah it 100% needed to go. Sam Raimi is a very accomplished director so you don't notice this unless you look, but the CGI buildings in the movie are actually _much worse_ than the ones in the recent PS4 game. It highlights the adage that there's no such thing as bad CGI, just bad filmmaking. (On the other hand, my daughter pointed out to me that whenever anything exciting happens, every woman screams and no men do and it is impossible to unsee once you notice it.)

rangibaby 6y ago
> Sam Raimi is a very accomplished director so you don't notice this unless you look, but the CGI buildings in the movie are actually _much worse_ than the ones in the recent PS4 game. It highlights the adage that there's no such thing as bad CGI, just bad filmmaking. I think the better question to ask is: What CGI effects from 20 years ago can't be achieved in real time today?
- snowwrestler 6y ago
  Finding Nemo was almost 20 years ago and as I recall, Pixar did a lot of work to reproduce the look of marine animals that have translucent layers to their skin. Seems like a level of detail that real-time engines might not bother with. But yeah, the Mandalorian used real-time rendering in-camera for a ton of its scenes. They fudged it a bit by using wide apertures so the backgrounds were a bit soft, but it obviously worked very well.
  - rangibaby 6y ago
    Human skin is translucent too. Real time Sub-surface scattering has existed for years and is now to making it into games. There's an excellent writeup here: https://therealmjp.github.io/posts/sss-intro/ https://therealmjp.github.io/posts/sss-intro/ Realtime reflections seem to be on their way too: https://youtu.be/pNmhJx8yPLk https://youtu.be/pNmhJx8yPLk

Igelau 6y ago

I've crossed the semantic saturation threshold thinking about it, and now Spiderman looks like a surname. J.T. Spiderman & Sons, Accounting Susie Spiderman, Age 5 Arnold Spiderman III, MD

codernyc16 6y ago
Wow, so Phoebe had it right all along... https://youtu.be/KyaiJc3ESAI https://youtu.be/KyaiJc3ESAI