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I don't agree. There are a lot of services which provide fully managed platforms with multiple competent providers you can migrate between. WordPress + CPanel d

by pcx 6y ago

I don't agree. There are a lot of services which provide fully managed platforms with multiple competent providers you can migrate between. WordPress + CPanel does a great job at this, I've seen barely technical folks manage multiple websites and blogs,export and restore backups, migrate between providers. And this was all 10years back.

ethbr0 6y ago
> And this was all 10years back. Thankfully, we've tossed all that old stuff out and simplified things with Docker and k8s.
- rektide 6y ago
  Gonna suck for a while yes but long run there are real reasons for this jump from little daemons installed on to hosts to cloud native.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- throwawaynothx 6y ago
  "simplified" things with Docker and k8s.. if you are using docker for anything other than microservices and development environments you are doing it wrong.
  - judge2020 6y ago
    Containerd then? Containers predate docker in the form of VMs, the only difference being optimizations with not having to run another entire OS kernel to get software running in the exact same state on many machines in just a few seconds.
  - selfhoster11 6y ago
    Containers are substantially different to VMs, but in practice I see them as equivalent technologically and operationally for my home lab/self-hosting use cases (sans weaker security guarantees, but that I can live with). They are a simplification in practice, because I can toss everything into a bunch of Pis that stay on 24/7 rather than worry about the power use (and the power bills) that would come with using a more fully-featured rack server/old PC that has enough RAM to deal with multiple VMs.
- martin_a 6y ago
  I sure hope you are joking. Not sure though. Other commenters seem to take you serious, too. Please clarify. :-D
  - tpxl 6y ago
    FreeNAS supports docker, so arguably, clicking download on some panel somewhere to get a working locally hosted [wordpress, game server, ...] is simplified.

by pcx 6y ago

ethbr0 6y ago

> And this was all 10years back. Thankfully, we've tossed all that old stuff out and simplified things with Docker and k8s.

rektide 6y ago
Gonna suck for a while yes but long run there are real reasons for this jump from little daemons installed on to hosts to cloud native.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
throwawaynothx 6y ago
"simplified" things with Docker and k8s.. if you are using docker for anything other than microservices and development environments you are doing it wrong.
- judge2020 6y ago
  Containerd then? Containers predate docker in the form of VMs, the only difference being optimizations with not having to run another entire OS kernel to get software running in the exact same state on many machines in just a few seconds.
- selfhoster11 6y ago
  Containers are substantially different to VMs, but in practice I see them as equivalent technologically and operationally for my home lab/self-hosting use cases (sans weaker security guarantees, but that I can live with). They are a simplification in practice, because I can toss everything into a bunch of Pis that stay on 24/7 rather than worry about the power use (and the power bills) that would come with using a more fully-featured rack server/old PC that has enough RAM to deal with multiple VMs.
martin_a 6y ago
I sure hope you are joking. Not sure though. Other commenters seem to take you serious, too. Please clarify. :-D
- tpxl 6y ago
  FreeNAS supports docker, so arguably, clicking download on some panel somewhere to get a working locally hosted [wordpress, game server, ...] is simplified.