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Your argument can easily apply to locks, safes and general physical security. It will always be done. I've been hearing "DRM is will be useless soon" since the

Your argument can easily apply to locks, safes and general physical security. It will always be done. I've been hearing "DRM is will be useless soon" since the early 2000s. Many DRM companies are 10-30+ years old, with multiple international locations and many, many employees. Look, I appreciate the hobby and skills it takes to crack DRM as a logic puzzle. I used to work security integration and I may have had my own similar hobbies. But at the end of the day, the argument of "DRM is useless" is people truly saying, "I don't want to pay for things". Who likes to work for free? I don't and I'm sure as shit you won't work for free either. Do I like Rockstar? No. I think their games are shit from beginning to end. They're edgelord, teenage wish fulfillment trash. Do I respect when someone spends their time and wishes to get paid for it so they can continue their craft with a roof over their head and food on the table for them and their families? Yes. If you don't approve of mandatory crunch times, story lines or whatever anti-capitalist, anarchist, whatever manifesto you subscribe to... don't buy or play their stuff. Fun part about a capitalist system, the best way to hurt someone is to both ignore them and don't buy their stuff. Pirating their stuff, as a lot of folks like to mention, "Doesn't hurt the company". But it does give them reason to be more aggressive, issue lawsuits, get more press attention and generally be bigger assholes that spiral the system out of control. If they can make a profit, you bet your sweet ass they'll figure it out even if it's a long con. So yea, wait for DRM to go bye-bye. Let's see, RDR2 was in dev for around 7 years. You go ahead and work, for someone else, for 7 years on something, about 40 hours a weeks (more if you want to include the "controversial working conditions") and don't get paid during that entire time. Not on something YOU want to do. Something that someone else wants done for them. Do that, then come back to me with a real argument for people not to get paid for their work. We're not a society that runs off hugs and kisses.

the_af 6y ago
> But at the end of the day, the argument of "DRM is useless" is people truly saying, "I don't want to pay for things". This is false. A lot of people oppose DRM because it's a nasty bit of software running on your hardware, or because it's unwieldy or plain doesn't work. Some people buy a game (or ebook, or whatever) then use a DRM-stripped version because it's better. And yes, some people play pirated games because they don't want to pay. But don't make it sound as if that was everyone. DRM sucks.
- NoOneNew 6y ago
  Dude, that's the biggest load of crap and you know it. That's what everyone tells themselves so they sleep better at night and seem like some self-righteous Robin Hoods to the public. You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. People don't buy something, then go out of their way to potentially get a bit of illegal virus/malware induced "DRM-Free version". I was a teen back during Napster and Limewire days... goddamn it I'm old... You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. Stop acting like it's some great public service, saving the world, doing-the-right-thing cause. The folks that do the actual cracking, again, I actually respect for the skills. That kind of stuff is a real fun hobby. They share their work as a way to showoff. However, it's the users that get free-rides who I think are just ridiculous and delusional. "Oh, I pirate games as a political statement for anti-DRM because DRM is soooooo much worse on machines, and, and capitalism bad." Yea... okay. Everything I have is DRM-filth and I never noticed.
  - the_af 6y ago
    I don't really know what to tell you except you're wrong. People do what I claimed all the time, you just ignore it happens. > You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. I don't pirate games. > Oh, I pirate games as a political statement for anti-DRM because DRM is soooooo much worse on machines, and, and capitalism bad. Nice strawman there. Please try arguing about what was actually said, instead of trying to start a flame war. Thanks.
  - tetris11 6y ago
    Anecdotally I own both a legal and a cracked copy of GTAV. The legal copy was nice in the first year the game came out and I wanted access to all features, so I grimaced and put up with the bloatware required to actually log in to the game and play it. Then I got bored, uninstalled it and didn't play it for a few years. Recently I got a hankering to play it once more and shuddered at the memory of all the intrusive software bloat, as well as the toxic online community centrer around aggressive play. So I went with the crack (hassle-free and self-contained in a single directory) and joined a FiveM online server for multiplayer play, and the experience was painless, enjoyable even.
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the_af 6y ago

> But at the end of the day, the argument of "DRM is useless" is people truly saying, "I don't want to pay for things". This is false. A lot of people oppose DRM because it's a nasty bit of software running on your hardware, or because it's unwieldy or plain doesn't work. Some people buy a game (or ebook, or whatever) then use a DRM-stripped version because it's better. And yes, some people play pirated games because they don't want to pay. But don't make it sound as if that was everyone. DRM sucks.

NoOneNew 6y ago
Dude, that's the biggest load of crap and you know it. That's what everyone tells themselves so they sleep better at night and seem like some self-righteous Robin Hoods to the public. You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. People don't buy something, then go out of their way to potentially get a bit of illegal virus/malware induced "DRM-Free version". I was a teen back during Napster and Limewire days... goddamn it I'm old... You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. Stop acting like it's some great public service, saving the world, doing-the-right-thing cause. The folks that do the actual cracking, again, I actually respect for the skills. That kind of stuff is a real fun hobby. They share their work as a way to showoff. However, it's the users that get free-rides who I think are just ridiculous and delusional. "Oh, I pirate games as a political statement for anti-DRM because DRM is soooooo much worse on machines, and, and capitalism bad." Yea... okay. Everything I have is DRM-filth and I never noticed.
- the_af 6y ago
  I don't really know what to tell you except you're wrong. People do what I claimed all the time, you just ignore it happens. > You pirate because you don't want to pay for it. I don't pirate games. > Oh, I pirate games as a political statement for anti-DRM because DRM is soooooo much worse on machines, and, and capitalism bad. Nice strawman there. Please try arguing about what was actually said, instead of trying to start a flame war. Thanks.
- tetris11 6y ago
  Anecdotally I own both a legal and a cracked copy of GTAV. The legal copy was nice in the first year the game came out and I wanted access to all features, so I grimaced and put up with the bloatware required to actually log in to the game and play it. Then I got bored, uninstalled it and didn't play it for a few years. Recently I got a hankering to play it once more and shuddered at the memory of all the intrusive software bloat, as well as the toxic online community centrer around aggressive play. So I went with the crack (hassle-free and self-contained in a single directory) and joined a FiveM online server for multiplayer play, and the experience was painless, enjoyable even.
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